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What's everyone's thoughts on 取消 culture?

I've personally always had a love/hate relationship with it. I think it can be a useful tool. As in it's a societal check (and a societal consequence) that some people might absolutely need. But on the flip side I feel 取消 culture is used too much to get a point across when many arguments brought up 由 the left 或者 the right may 或者 may not be valid arguments 或者 talking points created 由 people who are either uninformed 或者 misinformed and they end up doing a disservice to their own side (Even if 说 side had a modicum of validity) Not to mention the qualifications of what should be theoretically cancelled varies among individuals. If someone is willing to learn about their mistakes then I feel the public outcry shouldn't be so harsh. Granted I don't feel everyone deserve 说 chance but even that line of mentality is tough to properly define. So in this regard I understand why it is good and bad on both sides of the coin.
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Well said. I also have a love/hate relationship with it and do think it's used fairly in some instances - like 你 said, it's a societal check, and it's just a new word for a very old practice. Will elaborate on my criticisms of it in a bit.
ThePrincesTale posted 一年多以前
 BlindBandit92 posted 一年多以前
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zanhar1 said:
EDIT: Here's the 文章 link

I absolutely fucking hate it, mostly because I've had several bad experiences with it over stuff that was blown way out of proportion. It was used as a humiliation tactic and a means to try to kick me out of the fandom because of trivial disagreements. PrincesTale and I were just talking about this.

"I'm talking about. Drawing from very 最近的 personal experience which I am still very 苦 about. Innocent people are treated as aggressors even if they didn't mean anything 由 x action 或者 x statement. Sometimes people are just confused/uninformed/unsure/or used bad phrasing. Sometimes it isn't even their own fault; sometimes the accuser just literally misinterpreted their entire post! I feel like call out culture tends to attack people for just disagreeing with a person. And it's sometimes used to smear someone for no reason. Like with what recently happened to me; I outright 说 that I was unsure of my statement and didn't mind being corrected. And I STILL had someone opt NOT to correct me and jump right to calling me a transphobe (cue a cluster of angry anons). The person ended up deleting that call out post. But I am once again afraid to talk about trans stuff. she outright lied and omitted critical info, probably to virtue signal. Idk. But I feel like this is a common thing and one of may reasons why 取消 culture is so dangerous. There are people who will just buy it. Most of my followers didn't but I 迷失 two mutals that I really liked. :/"

Callout culture doesn't leave room for growth, change and mistakes. People are written off and blacklisted and not 给 a 秒 chance.

This is detrimental to causes to imo. It almost makes a (for example) a homophobe feel justified in their hate. Like they got called out and cancelled and received a bunch of hate, now they feel 更多 secure in hating gay people. They now have ammo.

Granted, stuff like homophobia and pedophilia and other stuff should be called out. However, the problem is that people are WAY too quick to toss out labels and innocent people get dragged under. I'm just gonna dig up my personal experience as an example of what I mean.
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 EDIT: Here's the 文章 http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/debate/articles/275469/title/why-cancel-callout-culture-should-cancelled I absolutely fucking hate it, mostly because I've had several bad experiences with it over stuff that was blown way out of proportion. It was used as a humiliation tactic and a means to try to kick me out of the fandom because of trivial disagreements. PrincesTale and I were just talking about this. "I'm talking about. Drawing from very 最近的 personal experience which I am still very 苦 about. Innocent people are treated as aggressors even if they didn't mean anything 由 x action 或者 x statement. Sometimes people are just confused/uninformed/unsure/or used bad phrasing. Sometimes it isn't even their own fault; sometimes the accuser just literally misinterpreted their entire post! I feel like call out culture tends to attack people for just disagreeing with a person. And it's sometimes used to smear someone for no reason. Like with what recently happened to me; I outright 说 that I was unsure of my statement and didn't mind being corrected. And I STILL had someone opt NOT to correct me and jump right to calling me a transphobe (cue a cluster of angry anons). The person ended up deleting that call out post. But I am once again afraid to talk about trans stuff. she outright lied and omitted critical info, probably to virtue signal. Idk. But I feel like this is a common thing and one of may reasons why 取消 culture is so dangerous. There are people who will just buy it. Most of my followers didn't but I 迷失 two mutals that I really liked. :/" Callout culture doesn't leave room for growth, change and mistakes. People are written off and blacklisted and not 给 a 秒 chance. This is detrimental to causes to imo. It almost makes a (for example) a homophobe feel justified in their hate. Like they got called out and cancelled and received a bunch of hate, now they feel 更多 secure in hating gay people. They now have ammo. Granted, stuff like homophobia and pedophilia and other stuff should be called out. However, the problem is that people are WAY too quick to toss out labels and innocent people get dragged under. I'm just gonna dig up my personal experience as an example of what I mean.
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Again, this person literally took what I 说 100% out of context and actively demonized me for no reason??? They claimed that I was being transphobic because I tagged the fic wrong and they went out of their way to not add that I literally added an author's note inquiring about the correctness of my tagging. All this person had to do was @ 或者 PM me and tell me why it wasn't tagged right and I would have fixed it. Instead they called me a transphobe and I was hit with a handful of anon hate messages, blocked 由 a few people, and unfollowed 由 two people I liked. This time the damage was minimal because I caught it right away.
zanhar1 posted 一年多以前
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And I explained myself and people realized that I didn't mean anything 由 the wrong tagging. But this person very maliciously tossed a buzzword/label on me for the sake of getting me cancelled and to warn people that I'm a bad person. It was totally unwarranted. And I think that this person knows they were wrong because they deleted the call out. I'm still insanely mad because it put me in a REALLY bad place.
zanhar1 posted 一年多以前
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“I’m going to bed” Narrator: And then she didn’t. Remind me of ur good ol days of 潮流粉丝俱乐部 when the site was poppin enough for me to stay up until the wee hours of the morning lol. Okay this time for sure!
zanhar1 posted 一年多以前
Windwakerguy430 said:
Already made an 文章 about it
Short answer: Do not like it
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Fair enough
BlindBandit92 posted 一年多以前
ThePrincesTale said:
I'm gonna copy/paste what I wrote on a 论坛 to zan lol

My criticism of liberal "cancel culture" specifically
It’s a head-hunting mission centred on public humiliation, ostracism and guilt 由 association. It’s antithetical to so much of what the left should be fighting for. Ofc, it’s practical and necessary when it removes an abuser 或者 predator from a 圈, 圈子 of people. I take no issue with ostracising people for extreme, toxic behaviour. But when I think of 取消 culture in its current form, I think of micro-transgressions and microaggressions, rumours, smeared reputations. Cancelling someone for not championing the latest and most respectful terminology is not conducive to alliance-building 或者 solidarity. Like don’t get me wrong, sometimes I recognise the wrongdoing. But I do not condone the response.

Also, as someone who is deeply critical of the prison system, 取消 culture jars against the rehabilitation and transformative justice that I we should be fighting for. We need to see the root causes of societal ills. 取消 culture, meanwhile, breeds a mentality of guilty until proven innocent, and entrenches norms surrounding punitive punishment and retribution.

Some pop-liberals have adopted a binary mentality of us/them and good/evil. 取消 culture allows them to cling to black and white viewpoints, clothed in confirmation bias, and depersonalise complex human beings. Too often, cancelling someone is about clout – that is, furthering one’s own credentials as an activist 由 highlighting the comparatively poor behaviour of those around you.

Virtue signalling and blind ideological dogma are used to the detriment of humility, compassion and inclusivity. Recently, 150 artists, writers and academics – including Noam Chomsky, a leftist and one of the most cited scholars in the world - signed an link condemning the weakening of public 辩论 due to 取消 culture. It’s a good read.

A few words on right-wing "cancel culture":
“Cancel culture” exacts just as much among conservatives too. In fact, “cancelling” is a neologism for an old custom; someone is perceived to have committed a transgression, and as a result, loses status and/or support among the public. A boycott, essentially. Ppl like Ben Shapiro like to pretend it’s some new liberal invention, while forgetting that right-wingers have been its main practitioners through most of history (when people transgressed moral “norms”). In living memory, employers regularly fired those suspected of being atheists, gays, 或者 socialists (see especially: the McCarthy era). In the modern day, conservatives have done shit like “cancel” NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick for taking a knew during the national anthem – Trump told the league to "get that son of a 婊子, 子 off the field right now”, and many boycotted Nike because they dared to feaure Kaepernick in an ad.
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The band Dixie Chicks was cancelled after its members voiced public disgust at the Iraq War. Trump recently called for people not to buy Goodyear tyres, on the misleading/false claim that they banned employees from wearing MAGA hats. Hell, conservatives have even boycotted 星巴克 for putting “Happy Holidays” on their takeaway cups instead of “Merry Christmas”.
ThePrincesTale posted 一年多以前
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^Loool classic 潮流粉丝俱乐部 algorithms. Yeah I once 发布 ONE (1) SINGLE IMAGE in the Severus Snape and Lily Evans spot a
ThePrincesTale posted 一年多以前
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(clicked enter too soon) ...and somehow got a green medal in it. What the fuck
ThePrincesTale posted 一年多以前
kicksomebut23 said:
The 问题 is what is that?
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In essence a person says 或者 does something wrong and people drag them through the mud. It's most common for celebrities' but happens to users too. For example Johnny Depp was struggling to get roles and losing 粉丝 because he was accused of being an abuse (which from what I hear turned out to be false). Basically 取消 culture aims to make it so a celeb can't find anymore work 或者 gain anymore fans. It can be over genuinely harmful actions 或者 innocent mistakes.
zanhar1 posted 一年多以前
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I didn't like that story when I heard it
kicksomebut23 posted 一年多以前
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Yeah it was sad. Another good example is Zamii a Steven Universe 粉丝 who was bullied to a suicide attempt for drawing a character too skinny.
zanhar1 posted 一年多以前
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Wtf
kicksomebut23 posted 一年多以前
Nuri__ said:
Same why I feel about gossiping, it seems it does 更多 harm than useful.
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