This is a (long) rebuttal to KatiiCullen94's argument, the 标题 of which is in is article's title. (Though you've probably all seen that 由 now.) I haven't included her points in this, so it will be necessary to read her 文章 first.
1. The majority of people in this world cannot relate to Bella. Tell me, how many people can go to a new school and automatically be the prettiest and most 流行的 girl there? How many girls can say that they have FIVE males lusting after them?
Bella does care for people other than herself - her boyfriend. That's it. She was perfectly happy to hurt her father on several occasions in order to be with her boyfriend - and if 你 value your boyfriend over your own parents, then there is something seriously wrong with you. She also treats her 老友记 like crap, and still expects them to be loyal to her. Even if it was possible to relate to Bella, it would not be a good thing if a person actually did in real life. It's not a very good thing if a person:
a) treats her 老友记 badly when they have done nothing to her, and they still try to remain loyal to her.
b) constantly needs a man in her life to rescue her from the situations she gets herself into.
c) is willing to hurt her father's feelings to be with her boyfriend.
d) puts her life (and the lives of others) at risk in order to hear her boyfriend's voice in her head.
There are many 更多 reasons, but I don't want to spend too long on one point.
2. Yes, Twilight is indeed 更多 original than some other vampire stories. I can't deny that. However, originality is a blade that can cut both ways. (As any blade can...I don't know...) Honestly - 吸血鬼 that sparkle? It's original, but it's taken the one flaw a real vampire possesses and made it into a "non-flaw"; thus, Meyer can retain perfect characters for her books. Perfect characters are not good. Have 你 ever heard the saying "Perfection...is apt to be dull"?
3. 由 the way, Twilight is also in a narration format. Every fictional novel in the world is in narration format. Please get your terminology right. Twilight is in first person narration (AKA point of view) while Harry Potter is written in third person narration/POV. 你 should specify which form of narration 你 are referring to, otherwise you'll confuse a lot of people.
你 cannot understand the thoughts and feelings of all characters when 写作 in first person POV, because 1st person only follows one person's thoughts and feelings - the narrator. Bella is the narrator of the Twilight 图书 (I generally don't classify Midnight Sun as one of the books, because a) it's not published 或者 even complete and b) it is pretty much one of the former 图书 with a new name and different POV - it only tells us what we already know), and thus we only have access to her thoughts and feelings. In Harry Potter, third person POV is used. This makes the Harry Potter 图书 deeper, because while most of the thoughts and feelings we see are Harry's, we can also see the feelings of others through his eyes. This maintains an unbiased tone - unlike Twilight, as I will explain later.
While both 1st person POV and 3rd person POV each have their benefits, Twilight's use of 1st person means that the series is extremely biased. Jacob is presented as a jerk in Eclipse because the 图书 are in Bella's POV, and we don't see him in any other way. Likewise, Edward is presented as a god-like figure: again, because the 图书 are in Bella's POV and she is a biased narrator.
4. The fact that Twilight doesn't kill the main characters is one of the reasons why it is such a boring read. It is extremely predictable - every book in the series serves up a happily ever after to Bella on a platter. Breaking Dawn is most suggestive of this - had Meyer actually included the fight that every single reader had anticipated excitedly, and then killed at least one significant character on the Cullens' side (such as Jacob, one of the Cullens 或者 one of the other Quileutes), many people would have been happier with the book. Killing off characters when a war scene is written makes a book much 更多 interesting and realistic. During the Battle of Hogwarts, the fact that many people died reinforces just how realistic the sequence is. (Go watch a movie with at least one major battle sequence, such as Lord of the Rings, and then tell me that it's better for nobody to die during a war.)
I also find it extremely sad that 你 were once a HP 粉丝 and then converted. What devil possessed 你 to force 你 into making such a terrible decision?
5. While there is indeed a friendship present between Bella and Alice, it is sadly underdeveloped. If Meyer had developed this enough to make it into a sub-plot (for Eclipse, probably), the 图书 would have been a 更多 interesting read. Unfortunately, such a subplot doesn't exist, and we are instead left with rants about how hot Edward is and Bella's constant whining.
As for Bella and Jacob's "friendship", it is one-sided. To Bella, Jacob is merely a boy for her to play with while she gets over Edward. She leads Jacob on, then finds herself in a little bit of trouble when she realises that Jacob has fallen in 爱情 with her (what did she expect?) and she solves this 由 breaking his heart.
6. Good villains? I laughed for about ten 分钟 straight at this. James is not a good villain. He was introduced in the last 1/8th of the book. He is not scary - if James was real, I would probably only have to blow on his face to make him run away like the wuss he is. James inspired fear in eight people - Voldemort inspired fear in the hearts of thousands, if not millions.
Victoria's eyes are piercing red, and she is pure evil? What exactly is your point here? Try 阅读 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - I think you'll find that Voldemort has piercing red eyes, and is pure evil.
P.S. Oh yes, I am absolutely TERRIFED of Victoria's army. An army of newborn 吸血鬼 which are completely and utterly incapable of any kind of combat.
7. If each character of Twilight has one beautiful quality, each Potter character probably has about three. Rosalie was a good character - 你 are absolutely right about her feelings. Her backstory was quite good (apart from, 你 know, the Great Depression "not existing" for her because her father is a banker. Check XDRoseLuvsHP’s 文章 “Response to ‘Analysis of the Opposite!’” for further detail). However, due to Meyer’s use of first person narration, Rosalie is hated 由 粉丝 that are taking Bella’s side and calling Rosalie a stuck-up 婊子, 子 – because they only have one side of the story.
However, please do give me a 列表 of Bella’s “beautiful qualities”. Seriously – Bella has no beautiful qualities. She’s a beautiful person, but how does this count as a quality? It’s what’s on the inside that counts, not the outside. (Bella could learn A LOT from that sentence.) While you’re making a 列表 of Bella’s beautiful qualities, do likewise for Edward. He is abusive, a pedophile and also a stalker. He also appreciates Bella for nothing but her smell – again, Edward could learn from liking a person’s inner qualities instead of their outer ones.
8. Why are 你 bringing the movie cast into this argument? The cast has nothing to do with why Twilight is better than Harry Potter. (Excuse me, I need to go wash my mouth and fingers for saying such a thing.) Still, I will need to bring the cast into this again to rebut this point. The cast of Harry Potter is far 更多 talented than the Twilight cast. Daniel, Rupert and Emma are capable of pulling 更多 than one facial expression while 表演 – which Kristen and Robert don’t seem to have mastered. (Can I just add that Robert’s considerable 表演 skills are evident in the Goblet of 火, 消防 movie? Not so in Twilight.) And 由 the way, Kristen Stewart has been seen smoking 大麻 in public – I don’t think this is the mark of a good role model. She also treats her 粉丝 like crap.
9. Again, I laughed for a good fifteen 分钟 at this point. All of the 问题 in Twilight have been answered – we know why Edward couldn’t read Bella’s mind, as we see her retract her shield into herself so that Edward can read her mind. Not that there were that many things to 辩论 in Twilight in the first place – probably the only important 问题 was “Edward 或者 Jacob?” This only serves to point out exactly how anti-feminist Twilight is – why is there no option for 粉丝 that want Bella to become an independent woman that doesn’t need a man in her life at all?
In Harry Potter, on the other hand, there are 问题 upon 问题 that 粉丝 were able to ask themselves. “Is Harry a Horcrux?” “Is Dumbledore really dead?” “Whose side is Snape on?” These are 问题 stemming from Deathly Hallows alone. Even the epilogue leaves many 问题 未回答的 – “Who did Neville and Luna marry?” (We only found this out in one of Rowling’s interviews.) “What happened to the rest of the DA?” “How have the Weasleys coped since the death of Fred?” “What the hell is a Hufflepuff?” (Just kidding…;D)
10. There have actually been several vampire/human 爱情 stories before Twilight - Stephenie Meyer's concept isn't entirely new. The Vampire Diaries series (by L.J.Smith) was first published in 1991, while the Sookie Stackhouse 图书 were first published in 2001. Vampire/human 爱情 stories aside, we see millions of “forbidden love” stories. Romeo and Juliet is the classic example – and yes, Meyer 说 that she based her 图书 (I think it was New Moon) off this Shakespearean story. However, she then had the nerve to say that New Moon was of an equal level to – even better than – Romeo and Juliet. Also – Shakespeare didn’t have to rape a thesaurus to make his works seem intelligent.
由 the way, inter-species 爱情 stories are not something completely new and different. The story (well, sub-plot) of Arwen and Aragorn came around in the 1940s-1950s – the story of Edward and Bella came about in 2005.
I hope this was a sufficient response for 你 – I would post 更多 reasons for HP’s superiority to Twilight, but I don’t want to go off track. Maybe another time.
And I know I used parentheses - brackets - a lot up there, but I've just eaten 100 grams of 浓情巧克力 and I'm feeling rather hyper. Plus I sidetrack a lot when I talk, so 你 could say that my typing reflects my talking in that respect.
1. The majority of people in this world cannot relate to Bella. Tell me, how many people can go to a new school and automatically be the prettiest and most 流行的 girl there? How many girls can say that they have FIVE males lusting after them?
Bella does care for people other than herself - her boyfriend. That's it. She was perfectly happy to hurt her father on several occasions in order to be with her boyfriend - and if 你 value your boyfriend over your own parents, then there is something seriously wrong with you. She also treats her 老友记 like crap, and still expects them to be loyal to her. Even if it was possible to relate to Bella, it would not be a good thing if a person actually did in real life. It's not a very good thing if a person:
a) treats her 老友记 badly when they have done nothing to her, and they still try to remain loyal to her.
b) constantly needs a man in her life to rescue her from the situations she gets herself into.
c) is willing to hurt her father's feelings to be with her boyfriend.
d) puts her life (and the lives of others) at risk in order to hear her boyfriend's voice in her head.
There are many 更多 reasons, but I don't want to spend too long on one point.
2. Yes, Twilight is indeed 更多 original than some other vampire stories. I can't deny that. However, originality is a blade that can cut both ways. (As any blade can...I don't know...) Honestly - 吸血鬼 that sparkle? It's original, but it's taken the one flaw a real vampire possesses and made it into a "non-flaw"; thus, Meyer can retain perfect characters for her books. Perfect characters are not good. Have 你 ever heard the saying "Perfection...is apt to be dull"?
3. 由 the way, Twilight is also in a narration format. Every fictional novel in the world is in narration format. Please get your terminology right. Twilight is in first person narration (AKA point of view) while Harry Potter is written in third person narration/POV. 你 should specify which form of narration 你 are referring to, otherwise you'll confuse a lot of people.
你 cannot understand the thoughts and feelings of all characters when 写作 in first person POV, because 1st person only follows one person's thoughts and feelings - the narrator. Bella is the narrator of the Twilight 图书 (I generally don't classify Midnight Sun as one of the books, because a) it's not published 或者 even complete and b) it is pretty much one of the former 图书 with a new name and different POV - it only tells us what we already know), and thus we only have access to her thoughts and feelings. In Harry Potter, third person POV is used. This makes the Harry Potter 图书 deeper, because while most of the thoughts and feelings we see are Harry's, we can also see the feelings of others through his eyes. This maintains an unbiased tone - unlike Twilight, as I will explain later.
While both 1st person POV and 3rd person POV each have their benefits, Twilight's use of 1st person means that the series is extremely biased. Jacob is presented as a jerk in Eclipse because the 图书 are in Bella's POV, and we don't see him in any other way. Likewise, Edward is presented as a god-like figure: again, because the 图书 are in Bella's POV and she is a biased narrator.
4. The fact that Twilight doesn't kill the main characters is one of the reasons why it is such a boring read. It is extremely predictable - every book in the series serves up a happily ever after to Bella on a platter. Breaking Dawn is most suggestive of this - had Meyer actually included the fight that every single reader had anticipated excitedly, and then killed at least one significant character on the Cullens' side (such as Jacob, one of the Cullens 或者 one of the other Quileutes), many people would have been happier with the book. Killing off characters when a war scene is written makes a book much 更多 interesting and realistic. During the Battle of Hogwarts, the fact that many people died reinforces just how realistic the sequence is. (Go watch a movie with at least one major battle sequence, such as Lord of the Rings, and then tell me that it's better for nobody to die during a war.)
I also find it extremely sad that 你 were once a HP 粉丝 and then converted. What devil possessed 你 to force 你 into making such a terrible decision?
5. While there is indeed a friendship present between Bella and Alice, it is sadly underdeveloped. If Meyer had developed this enough to make it into a sub-plot (for Eclipse, probably), the 图书 would have been a 更多 interesting read. Unfortunately, such a subplot doesn't exist, and we are instead left with rants about how hot Edward is and Bella's constant whining.
As for Bella and Jacob's "friendship", it is one-sided. To Bella, Jacob is merely a boy for her to play with while she gets over Edward. She leads Jacob on, then finds herself in a little bit of trouble when she realises that Jacob has fallen in 爱情 with her (what did she expect?) and she solves this 由 breaking his heart.
6. Good villains? I laughed for about ten 分钟 straight at this. James is not a good villain. He was introduced in the last 1/8th of the book. He is not scary - if James was real, I would probably only have to blow on his face to make him run away like the wuss he is. James inspired fear in eight people - Voldemort inspired fear in the hearts of thousands, if not millions.
Victoria's eyes are piercing red, and she is pure evil? What exactly is your point here? Try 阅读 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - I think you'll find that Voldemort has piercing red eyes, and is pure evil.
P.S. Oh yes, I am absolutely TERRIFED of Victoria's army. An army of newborn 吸血鬼 which are completely and utterly incapable of any kind of combat.
7. If each character of Twilight has one beautiful quality, each Potter character probably has about three. Rosalie was a good character - 你 are absolutely right about her feelings. Her backstory was quite good (apart from, 你 know, the Great Depression "not existing" for her because her father is a banker. Check XDRoseLuvsHP’s 文章 “Response to ‘Analysis of the Opposite!’” for further detail). However, due to Meyer’s use of first person narration, Rosalie is hated 由 粉丝 that are taking Bella’s side and calling Rosalie a stuck-up 婊子, 子 – because they only have one side of the story.
However, please do give me a 列表 of Bella’s “beautiful qualities”. Seriously – Bella has no beautiful qualities. She’s a beautiful person, but how does this count as a quality? It’s what’s on the inside that counts, not the outside. (Bella could learn A LOT from that sentence.) While you’re making a 列表 of Bella’s beautiful qualities, do likewise for Edward. He is abusive, a pedophile and also a stalker. He also appreciates Bella for nothing but her smell – again, Edward could learn from liking a person’s inner qualities instead of their outer ones.
8. Why are 你 bringing the movie cast into this argument? The cast has nothing to do with why Twilight is better than Harry Potter. (Excuse me, I need to go wash my mouth and fingers for saying such a thing.) Still, I will need to bring the cast into this again to rebut this point. The cast of Harry Potter is far 更多 talented than the Twilight cast. Daniel, Rupert and Emma are capable of pulling 更多 than one facial expression while 表演 – which Kristen and Robert don’t seem to have mastered. (Can I just add that Robert’s considerable 表演 skills are evident in the Goblet of 火, 消防 movie? Not so in Twilight.) And 由 the way, Kristen Stewart has been seen smoking 大麻 in public – I don’t think this is the mark of a good role model. She also treats her 粉丝 like crap.
9. Again, I laughed for a good fifteen 分钟 at this point. All of the 问题 in Twilight have been answered – we know why Edward couldn’t read Bella’s mind, as we see her retract her shield into herself so that Edward can read her mind. Not that there were that many things to 辩论 in Twilight in the first place – probably the only important 问题 was “Edward 或者 Jacob?” This only serves to point out exactly how anti-feminist Twilight is – why is there no option for 粉丝 that want Bella to become an independent woman that doesn’t need a man in her life at all?
In Harry Potter, on the other hand, there are 问题 upon 问题 that 粉丝 were able to ask themselves. “Is Harry a Horcrux?” “Is Dumbledore really dead?” “Whose side is Snape on?” These are 问题 stemming from Deathly Hallows alone. Even the epilogue leaves many 问题 未回答的 – “Who did Neville and Luna marry?” (We only found this out in one of Rowling’s interviews.) “What happened to the rest of the DA?” “How have the Weasleys coped since the death of Fred?” “What the hell is a Hufflepuff?” (Just kidding…;D)
10. There have actually been several vampire/human 爱情 stories before Twilight - Stephenie Meyer's concept isn't entirely new. The Vampire Diaries series (by L.J.Smith) was first published in 1991, while the Sookie Stackhouse 图书 were first published in 2001. Vampire/human 爱情 stories aside, we see millions of “forbidden love” stories. Romeo and Juliet is the classic example – and yes, Meyer 说 that she based her 图书 (I think it was New Moon) off this Shakespearean story. However, she then had the nerve to say that New Moon was of an equal level to – even better than – Romeo and Juliet. Also – Shakespeare didn’t have to rape a thesaurus to make his works seem intelligent.
由 the way, inter-species 爱情 stories are not something completely new and different. The story (well, sub-plot) of Arwen and Aragorn came around in the 1940s-1950s – the story of Edward and Bella came about in 2005.
I hope this was a sufficient response for 你 – I would post 更多 reasons for HP’s superiority to Twilight, but I don’t want to go off track. Maybe another time.
And I know I used parentheses - brackets - a lot up there, but I've just eaten 100 grams of 浓情巧克力 and I'm feeling rather hyper. Plus I sidetrack a lot when I talk, so 你 could say that my typing reflects my talking in that respect.
I don't want to hear about Harry Potter 或者 any other book right now. I'm not setting this up for a 辩论 about which is better. I just want to know seriously and honestly why 你 Twilight 粉丝 enjoy 阅读 Twilight. I want to see an actual reason that Twilight is a good book.
If 你 don't like Twilight, I don't want to hear 你 saying anything bad about it. I just want to know why people like it. Because all the debate's I've seen have no actual reasons. They have HP 粉丝 and Twihards going on about which book is better, but not why they like it.
I do actually want respectful 辩论 though. I want to discuss the reasons 你 give, but nicely.
If 你 can't be respectful of each other's opinions then just don't comment.
And I'm not trying to hate on Twilight, but if I disagree with 你 I will 辩论 with you.
I don't know if there are other debate's about this, so I'm sorry if there are, but I didn't look.
I'm just rambling now so let's get onto it!
If 你 don't like Twilight, I don't want to hear 你 saying anything bad about it. I just want to know why people like it. Because all the debate's I've seen have no actual reasons. They have HP 粉丝 and Twihards going on about which book is better, but not why they like it.
I do actually want respectful 辩论 though. I want to discuss the reasons 你 give, but nicely.
If 你 can't be respectful of each other's opinions then just don't comment.
And I'm not trying to hate on Twilight, but if I disagree with 你 I will 辩论 with you.
I don't know if there are other debate's about this, so I'm sorry if there are, but I didn't look.
I'm just rambling now so let's get onto it!
(I didn't include plot, good characters, etc. because those are automatically included)
1. POTATO.
2. pirates
3. ninjas
4. An awesome pirate/ninja fight
5. Swords (preferably celestial bronze)
6. Closets (for Edward to hide deep inside)
7. giraffes
8. YOUR FACE
9. YOUR MOM
10. YOUR MOM'S FACE
11. Butterflies
12. Chuck Norris
13. Jet-packs
14. kittens
15. strip poker :D
16. hand lotion
17. Sue Sylvester
18. sherbet
19. 20 巴松管 players :D
20. SNICKERS
21. Jedis
22. Druids :D
23. FREE ICE CREAM
24. A monkey called Jeeves who occasionally slaps Bella
25. YOU.
1. POTATO.
2. pirates
3. ninjas
4. An awesome pirate/ninja fight
5. Swords (preferably celestial bronze)
6. Closets (for Edward to hide deep inside)
7. giraffes
8. YOUR FACE
9. YOUR MOM
10. YOUR MOM'S FACE
11. Butterflies
12. Chuck Norris
13. Jet-packs
14. kittens
15. strip poker :D
16. hand lotion
17. Sue Sylvester
18. sherbet
19. 20 巴松管 players :D
20. SNICKERS
21. Jedis
22. Druids :D
23. FREE ICE CREAM
24. A monkey called Jeeves who occasionally slaps Bella
25. YOU.