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Warning: This is quite long.

Before I begin, I would like to say that this is my personal opinion along with evidence to support my opinion. 你 are free to disagree with me, but please, no hating. Also, please do not accuse me of not 阅读 the books. I have read each of the novels in the Twilight "Saga", from Twilight to Breaking Dawn. I have also read all of the Harry Potter 图书 (numerous times), from Philosophers Stone to Deathly Hallows.

It annoys me enormously, hearing people say that Twilight is better than Harry Potter. I personally believe that Harry Potter overshadows Twilight in every area, in every way, shape and form. I look at reasons why Twilighters think that Twilight is better than Harry Potter, and here is what I see:

-Because Edward is so hot! Harry is ugly!
-Twilight is 更多 realistic!
-Twilight has 更多 love!

I do not think that a book is amazing just because a character is gorgeous. In fact, I think that the fact that all the good guys are beautiful in Twilight is really arrogant and reflects very poor things about Stephenie Meyer. In Harry Potter, 你 have some good guys that are beautiful and others that are not so nice looking. For example, Luna Lovegood and Cedric Diggory are supposed to be very pleasant to look at, but characters such as Mad-Eye Moody are... not so nice looking. Yet Mad-Eye is still, undoubtably, a very good character.

Twilight is 由 no means 更多 realistic than Harry Potter. Yes, I know, Harry Potter has magic, Twilight takes place in a real setting. First thing: the "logic" in Twilight is embarrasing. It is clear that Meyer did as little research as possible, not really thinking things through before deciding what happens. Harry Potter, on the other hand, does not need logic. It's magic! Secondly, the characters of Harry Potter are a lot 更多 realistic that those of Twilight. Besides being well developed, the characters of Harry Potter are not passing for "perfect". Each one has flaws and strengths, and each reacts appropriately for different situations. Twilight, on the other hand, is extremely unrealistic when it comes to character reactions. For example, Bella is one of the least likable characters of all time (I will get to her later on, though), yet everyone seems to 爱情 and ADORE her. In fact, anybody who does not 爱情 her either changes their mind later on 或者 is viewed as a bad guy, a bitch, 或者 extraordinarily shallow. Also, did 你 notice that in Forks High School, there are only two cliques? The 流行的 Folks and The Vampires? Not to mention, the two groups merge into one in the end. At Hogwarts, 你 have Gryffindors, Hufflepuffs, Ravenclaws, Slytherins, Quidditch Players, Pranksters, Extreme Studiers, Dumbledore's Army, 粉丝 Girls, Rich Folk, Death Eaters To Be, Bullies, Outcasts, the 列表 goes on.

Another thing: Twilight does not have love. Bella does not 爱情 Edward. She would never have even looked twice at him if he weren't oh so gorgeous. It is pure lust. Same goes for Edward. If she didn't smell so wonderful, do 你 think he would have cared? If he could read her thoughts, he would be repulsed. As for the whole Imprinting thing? It is an excuse, an easy way out, a way for Meyer to make Jacob fall in "love" with Renesmee without looking like a pedophile. In Harry Potter, there are all different types of love. There is romantic 爱情 (Ron and Hermione are the cutest couple on the face of the earth! And there's failed relationships, look at Harry and Cho. Haha), 爱情 of 老友记 (Harry would die for his friends, and they would do the same for him), unrequited 爱情 (if 你 weren't touched 由 Snape's story, 你 must be heartless!), motherly 爱情 (Lily dying to save Harry, Molly Weasley killing Bellatrix for her 爱情 of 费雷德 and Ginny), and all sorts of things. If 你 want to talk romance, though, let me tell you; Ron and Hermione fell in 爱情 slowly through the years. They didn't know each other for, what, one week? then say "Oh, I am eternally in 爱情 with you! 你 are my one true love!" They are in love, not overpowered lust.

Let's talk about Bella, now shall we? She is the definiiton of a Mary Sue. Self insert is evident to an extreme, and she is supposedly "flawless". All of the characters 爱情 her, despite all the horrible things she does to them. I mean, how can Jacob still like her after all the things she's done to that poor guy? She is also a slut. She goes off and kisses a guy who isn't her boyfriend, leading him on every other page, then doesn't hesitate to dump him and break his heart, even though she "cares" so much about him. She abuses all of her friends. Can 你 really blame Jessica for not wanting to be 老友记 with Bella anymore? She saw that Bella just uses her 老友记 when it benefits her, then dumps them like trash, not caring one bit about them 或者 any of their problems 或者 anything, and still has the nerve to expect them to remain loyal to her, and if they don't, they are "bad friends". Abusive, much? She is also extremely selfish and unbelievably whiny. She complains about how "horrible" her life is, when really, she is just extremely ungrateful. All she does is whine, that is, when she isn't rambling endlessly about how pretty her boyfriend is.

Now I want to talk about Edward. People say they 爱情 him so much, but let me ask 你 this: how many 粉丝 would still 爱情 him this much if he were ugly? I would say, oh, maybe .001% at best? Of course, Bella wouldn't even spare a 秒 glance at him if he weren't supermodel gorgeous, so there would be no story, but that is beside the point. Edward is also abusive. I know, he's never hit her. I mean he is emotionally abusive. He toys with her emotions to get his way. He dominates her, controlling who she can and cannot see, what she can and cannot do, where she can and cannot go. He is also a stalker. He follows her around and breaks into her house at night to watch her sleep. That is just creepy. Of course, he is hot, so that must mean he's in 爱情 with her, right? Um, not so much.

Let's get Harry Potter back into this. I would like to point out that Harry Potter, unlike Twilight, actually has a plot. It lasts through all the books, the main theme being to defeat Voldemort and his followers, with subplots in each book. In fact, there are sub-subplots, even sub-sub-subplots. There are details that seem minor 或者 irrelevant that all turn out to be of extreme importance in the end. Twilight? What is the main plot of the first book? Talking about how beautiful your boyfriend is is NOT a plot. The whole thing with James and his "dangerous" clan seems to be 更多 of an "oh, whoops! I forgot to add a plot! Let's just throw this thing in quickly, and we'll call it a plot." Very quick and lazy, with little detail and a resolution that comes far too easily. 秒 book? She sulks around for the majority of the book, and the plot seems, once again, to be a forgotten thing thrown in quickly. In Eclipse, 你 could argue that there is a plot. Victoria wants revenge on Bella and Edward. The problem is, the plot goes nowhere until the very end, where it is, once again, resolved way too easily. The Cullens went into their big fight knowing they would all come out alive and well, and that is exactly what happened. No risks, no sacrifice. In Breaking Dawn, there were two different plots. The first was having the baby, Renesmee, who shouldn't have existed in the first place. The 下一个 plot is extremely disappointing. They build up to the huge climax, and what happens? Their ultimate battle ends in conversation. The Cullens don't give up anything, and it's way too much of a happily ever after. Pretty pathetic, if 你 ask me.

Let's address the anti-feminism of Twilight. It is extremely anti-feminist. Bella can't do ANYTHING for herself, and she always need Edward 或者 Jacob coming to the rescue. Edward and Jacob are both extremely strong and fast so they can control her. Why are the female 吸血鬼 unable to have babies, while male 吸血鬼 can if they mate with a human? Besides being illogical, it's anti-feminist. Even Alice, who's supposed to be a good fighter, depends completely on her abilities. If they are taken away, she has nothing. The male vampires, however, can still fight without their powers. Also, she goes into super-depressed mode when her boyfriend dumps her. That's understandable. But how long does she stay there? Over four months. That is ridiculous. And the only thing to raise her out of her depression is having another guy obsessing over her. What is this constant need for a man in her life? Even on her free time, what does she do? She happily cooks and cleans for her father, who sits on the 长椅, 沙发 watching football, drinking beer, cleaning his gun. How is this not anti-feminist? In Harry Potter, however, Hermione is very capable, and Harry and Ron would not have made it to the end of the series if it weren't for her. They depend on her just as much as she depends on them. Ginny is also a very capable girl. She can fight for herself, she doesn't need a man constantly looking after her. In fact, all the Harry Potter females are just as capable as the males are. Also, when Ron leaves Hermione in Deathly Hallows, she becomes very upset, but she moves on. She never really gets over it, but she moves on with her life. She realizes it is not the end of the world, and if she hadn't gotten her act together, Voldemort may not have been defeated. When Harry leaves Ginny, she is upset, but doesn't go suicidal about it. She moves on, she continues to treat her 老友记 right, she moves on.

One final note now. I want to go over messages. In Twilight, there are no good messages. If there are, please name one and then use evidence! Do not just make claims. But as of this point, I have not found one single good message of Twilight. And no, "stalking is hot" does NOT count as a good message, and neither does "if 你 do not have a man in your life, there is not point in living". "Pedophilia is okay as long as 你 have an excuse" doesn't count either. In Harry Potter, there are good messages weaved in all over the place. There are messages about what fear can do to people, how fear can easily turn into hatred 或者 ignorance. There are messages about how 爱情 is the most powerful thing in the world. There are messages about friendship, about life, about death, about working hard, about greed, about loss, and especially about growing up.

I could go on, but I'm getting tired now. I think I've made my point. Remember, this is just my opinion. I backed up my opinion with evidence so that it could become a strong argument, and anyone is free to disagree. Just no hating please. HARRY POTTER RULES!!!!!!!! XD
Arthur Weasley: Father of 7 kids, loves his wife Molly, works hard to make ends meet and never seen lying around the house like some Husbands, although low-income, he continues to be positive and happy about life, loyal, jokes around sometimes, there for his children, offers to be a father figure to Harry, never gives up, and [on a side-note] very accepting of others. He also gives 建议 as well and doesn't let enemies get him down.

Charlie Swan: Has only 1 daughter, divorced and never thought on dating anyone else, when he's not working he either hunts 或者 sits all 日 drinking 啤酒 and watching...
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 She's pro-Twilight!
She's pro-Twilight!
So yes... this is the interview I did with KatiiCullen94... enjoy! I added a few pics as well.

 Her 最喜爱的 character: Jacob Black
Her 最喜爱的 character: Jacob Black


1) What is your reaction for winning FOTM?

Well, I'm awfully surprised, and Happy. I've never won 或者 parcipated in something like this. Like I'm responsible for the FOTM for the Kristen Stewart Club, but I'm the Interviewer not the other way round. I diddn't think I was even nominated :)

2) Tell us about yourself.

Well, My name is Kaitlyn. But my nickmane is Keppie (K-Kaitlyn, E- Elizabeth, PP-Pead, IE- Cause it's cute)
I'm 16, And I'm Australian. That's the basics....
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posted by KateKicksAss
**If Twilight HAD gone this way, we wouldn't have gotten past book one!**


Bella: *walking into Forks High School* Oh, look, that guy is kind of hot. His name's Edward? Oh well, who cares anyway? There's 更多 to life than hot guys. 或者 guys in general.

Bella: Oh, look, i'm really 流行的 for some reason. Well, these people seem okay. I'll be a good friend, and not ignore people 或者 treat them like crap, and DEFINITELY not ditch them to hang out with my some guy.

Edward: I 爱情 你 Bella. Hey, wanna go out with me?

Bella: Um, creepy much? *sigh* Fine, i'll go out with you.

Bella: Okay, you're nice...
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posted by Aquilia
Oh do 你 not see, the language so cruciated,
由 your most unfortunate attempt in grammars?
Do 你 believe, for that moment that we're mirthed?
Well, then 你 are as mistaken as the Balaclava Brits.

Don't 你 see, your own insults to your common decency?
Do 你 not hear, our desperate attempts to save your sanity?
I hope 你 hear, I must hope 你 see.
But I think, 你 only see your vanity.

Vanity, vanity, everything vanity...
But then where are your humanity? The World wonder'd...

Dedicated to iluvtwilight, ellietwilight12 and every other rabid 粉丝 in the whole wide world. I plead to you: Stop this madness...

Inspiration: Alfred, Lord Tennyson; the Charge of the Light Brigade
Okay so first of i am going to say again i am a 粉丝 of both.But if 你 would ask me what i like better i think it would probably be Harry Potter.But i want to hear out why do 你 dislike/hate(tho hate it's to of a strong word for a book/movie)Twilight.I want solid arguments not such as : cause the 吸血鬼 there sparkle , like this Twilight 粉丝 could just say 'because Harry has a scar' 或者 'because they go to a school of magic' 或者 'because all death eaters are black(mostly)' i mean these are arguments just so 你 can say something.I tend to believe these days people hate/dislike Twilight just because others do.And i will ask 你 nicely and be thankful if 你 could tell me why 你 don't like it at all/hate it.
Dear Stephenie Meyer,
First I would like to thank 你 for taking the time to read my letter. It means a lot to me. In this letter, I would like to explain why I do not like the Twilight series and how it did have room for improvment.
The main problem I had with the series is how Bella and Edward's 爱情 is shown to be ideal, when in fact, it's unhealthy. Throughout the books, we do not get any insight on their hobbies and likes/dislikes. The problem with this is that we do not know if Edward 或者 Bella share any common interests to be considered perfect for each other. In fact, they only had...
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posted by GemonkDruid
Twilight fans, this is a 辩论 spot. So DEBATE. There are a few issues I see at this spot concerning 你 guys:

- Saying it's better because Edward/Jacob is hot

Okay, those kind of arguments are instantly invalid, coz beauty is subjective and depends on one's perspective. Also, can 你 actually SEE what they look like in the book series? Nope. And the inside of the person is what really counts.

- Saying it's better coz it's a 爱情 story

What Bella and Edward have is not love, it's infatuation. They only like each other because of how the other person looks like/smells. They never chit-chat like...
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When me and my friend Fiona were in the sixth grade, we decided to write a fanfiction about the Twilight characters going to Hogwarts. (We were both major Twilight 粉丝 then.) I wasn't the best writer in those days, so the beginning of the fanfic isn't great, but it gets better as we go along.
You'll notice that our seprate entries can get a bit confusing at times, and that's because we were 写作 由 e-mail because she lives six hours away from me, and we were just making it up as we went along. Fiona is 写作 about the character Peace, and I am using the character that I use for EVERYTHING,...
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posted by HecateA
So lately I've been thinking of the Cullens and how damn rich they are. And then I stop and go, wait a minute, how is that possible?

So I am going to compare the Cullen expenses and the average normal-people expenses in this chart.

Expense Normal People The Cullens

-Food X X*
-Clothing X X*
-Shelter X X
-Gas X X
-Inssurance X
-Electricity X X
-Running water X ?*
-Heating/cooling X
-School supplies X X
-Blood X
-At 首页
Medical supplies
and medicine X X*
-Private island X*
and its maintenance X
-Cottage 或者
campground, etc X
-Travel expenses X X*
-Cell phones X X
-Useless Twilight
merchandise X
-Lunch money...
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posted by rangarajvignesh
The World is flat!
    Well, I know 你 问题 my sanity, now. Obviously, the world is round and that’s a proven fact, from the moment Galileo stepped out of his ship. And now, there’s a 问题 again. Is the World really round? I hate that word, really. The word which gives rise to a lot of 问题 and seeks for explanations.
    ‘Imagination is 更多 important than knowledge,’ 说 a wise man once. And, it’s true. Well, 你 need not be aware of the complications of four-dimensional 太空 fabric to accept this theory. What all 你 need to...
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posted by emilykuru
BELLA 天鹅 _ part 1

Ummm…. What can i say about her………….er…….nothing interesting but i can 显示 u guys why she spoils the story


1.she is a hopeless char.she degrades herself,

2.she is stupid 2 leave her mom and come to forks when she begs her 2 comeback.

ok! if u guys say that it was because of the 爱情 for renee then it is totally wrong.

which daughter who loved her mom so much as to go 2 the place which she considers
hell just for her moms happiness would forget all about renee when jumping off a cliff to hear edwards voice.
doesnt she always worry in the story that she has...
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posted by harrypotterbest
There is, in the world, a girl called Z-----. 更多 commonly known on this website as Best, that is the name that shall be used for this anti story.
Now, when best was 11 years old, she had read all the Harry Potter books, and loved them. I’m talking about waiting for her Hogwarts acceptance letter to come and carving wands. She truly loved the series. In 2009, she went to a wedding. Her aunt there had read the Harry Potter books, except for the last one. She also had a cousin there, who was a huge 粉丝 of Twilight. Now, at that time, best hadn’t read Twilight. Her aunt was also a huge fan...
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posted by harrypotterbest
As Edward and Harry settled the final means of the battle, Ron, Hermione, and Ginny had a talk.
“Who wrote this rubbish?” asked Ron. “Sparkle in the sun, battle with debate, they don’t even drink proper blood!”
Hermione, as usual, was the one to answer. “Ron, everyone knows Stephanie Meyer wrote this ‘rubbish.’ She’s not a very good writer, according to The Daily Prophet, and for once I agree with them,” Hermione rolled her eyes. “At least OUR writer, the brilliant J K Rowling, didn’t make US sparkle in the sun. What nonsense!”
“Do 你 know where this Meyer person...
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I'm tired of repeating myself and other HP 粉丝 repeating themselves constantly so here is my opinion on why Harry Potter is better. So 你 don't think I'm being biased, let me tell you: I read Harry Potter when I was 5 and have been a 粉丝 since (and that shuts down the 评论 that little kids can't read it 由 the way) and when I was 13, I read Twilight (before the bandwagon) and loved it. Then just recently, I got off the Twilight High. So I know how it is to have liked Twilight and to like Harry Potter.

First, we can look at the authors. JK Rowling is the epitome of Rag to Riches. She started...
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posted by NataliaLidia
i persenally dont like ether series and heres why!!!

books
twilight
1) i am a reel vampire and i do not sparkl!!! stephanie shud have 逼债, 墩 her reasearch before she wrote a book about vampires!!!
2) bella is a bad roll model!!!
4) edwerd is abusiv!!!
5) its unrealistic!!!
6) its badly writen!!!
7) edwerd is describd to much!!! it gets boring!!!
8) its boring overall!!!

harry potter
1) its not relatble!!!
2) its made for kids!!!
3)harry always beets te bad guy!!! he never looses!!!
4) harry gets away wit everything in skool!!!
5) they hav bad frends!!! ron leaves nd dosnt stay wit harry when peeps make fun of him!!!
6) its boring!!!
7) snape keeps his job even tho he bullys students nd is a deth eater!!!
8) dumbledoor doesnt reely care about harry!!! he leaves him at da durslys even tho they are abusiv!!!

movies
both 电影院 hav bad actors nd the filmers didnt follows the boks the way they were suposed to!!!
posted by HaleyDewit
Bella
My name is Bella and there’s something I need to tell
I’m dating this cute vampire, he’s just hot as hell
He’s fascinated 由 my none existing mind
And I fall apart whenever I stare in those liquid topaz eyes

Edward
My name is Edward and there’s something I need to say
Bella’s gonna freak when she finds out I’m gay
But I can clearly understand what she sees in me
Because have 你 ever met someone this perfectly

Bella
I used to live in Phoenix, but now moved to this rainy place
I keep whining about it and I always have the same expression on my face
I’m just a little girl who’s helpless...
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Okay. I know what 你 are all thinking. Oh no not another Harry Potter vs. Twilight 文章 but yes I am making one because I can. I just want my opinion to be heard. So first off let me 列表 the reasons why children, teens and adults can 爱情 Harry Potter and the good messages that Harry Potter gets across. Harry Potter first of all teaches people about the very special bond between people called friendship. Harry, Hermione and Ron are a perfect example of friendship. They are all with Harry until the very end like they promised. They risk their lives for each other and even though they fight,...
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1. 加入 an orchestra.
[i] You're inside, anyway.....

2. 加入 an opera.
He has a good voice...right?

3. Go to a tanning salon.
Who wants to be pale all their life?

4. Leave home.
You're a hundred and something and STILL living with your parents. How does that feel?

5. Travel.
Yeah, the sparkling thing pops that bubble a bit, but what are parasols for?

6. Discover...SUNSCREEN.
It protects 你 from the sun. Shocking, eh?

7. Begin a knitting business.
Creativity is key. 你 can still stay inside, and make money. Plus, 你 make 老友记 with the rest of the sweet little old people in the knitting club.

8.Start...
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I'm adressing the rabid Twilight 粉丝 if they would listen. I'm also adressing the common 粉丝 of both sides of this debate.

There are some things one may and may not do in a formal 辩论 unless one wants to look like - pardon the language - a freaking donkey.

Nr 01: One may not argue against the debaters points 由 attacking him 或者 her. This is called argumentum ad hominem and is a fallacy. For example: If I am to argue that free elections is wrong and states that the arguer is an imbecile that does not deserve the right to vote, then I have committed a severe personal attack and will be frowned...
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posted by Athiya
Many of 你 might have noticed that the golden trio from Harry Potter (Harry, Ron, and Hermione) had always been paired up to fight with the not-so-golden trio of Twilight (Edward, Jacob, and Bella). Now, XDRoseLuvsHP had pointed out a great deal on why HP trio would win against the Twilight's (you can find it link), so I figured perhaps it's time for the villains to battle.

My first thought was off course, James and Voldemort; but then, it didn't seem fair on the Twilight side. James was not a very good villain; his character was poorly underdeveloped and his powers weren't very outstanding...
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