哈利·波特与暮光之城 Article: My Feelings Towards Bella 天鹅

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posted by alexisn10

Believe it 或者 not, I do not hate Twilight. The plot is fair, internesting setting, a lot of the characters are good, and not to mention the brilliant fight scenes! The soundtracks are lovely as well as the actors/actresses. Overall, I would give the entire series a C+. I would give it a higher grade if it wasn't for the poor writing, rambling, and somewhat extreme fans. But what's really the anchor of that sinking ship is the books' protagonist and narrator...

Bella Swan.

Of course there's a main character in almost every book I read that I really do not like. For example: in Hunger Games, it's Peeta. In Harry Potter it's Ginny. However, unlike Bella, I don't like Ginny and Peeta because they're almost like distractions to the main characters (Katniss and Harry of course). I don't like Bella simply because she's just a bad person overall. My negativity towards Twilight has nothing to do with the generic 评论 such as: 'Vampires don't sparkle' 或者 '[insert name here] can't act" but it as almost everything to do with Bella. I have a bone to pick with her, and in all honesty I would like to beat the daylights out of her with it.

1. Bella with Charlie
I absoloutely 爱情 Charlie. He's Quiet, loves sports, patient, loving, caring, and most imporantly LOVES his kid. In the first two books, Bella was pretty respectful to Charlie. I completely understood the "Just let me go, Charlie!" at the end of Twilight because she was simply trying to protect him and the note she left Charlie in New Moon when she was going off to save Edward (because she knew she was going to be punished afterwards). But Bella went totally out of hand in the end of New Moon. If you've read the books, 由 now 你 should know that Charlie really enjoyed Bella's company and it was almost like having his wife back. In New Moon Charlie tells Bella that she is grounded (which was aware of) and that she is not allowed to see Edward Cullen ever again because he's a bad boyfriend. In return Bella says "Fine, I'll 移动 out and live with the Cullens." That was a really low blow. And Charlie looked absoloutely dissapointed with himself. But of course Bella was having too much fun packing her things to finally live with her boyfriend to notice her hurt her own father was. Charlie was right, first of all. Being completely unaware that Edward was a vampire, I totally understood why Charlie wanted them to break up. It was their 秒 break up and the first one was what lead Bella to "move back in with her mom" and tell Charlie what his own wife told him when she was leaving. Bella even put up a front when Charlie wasn't allowing Edward to come to the house 更多 in Eclipse. Well Bella, let's think: 你 returned 首页 from your first break up with Edward covered in blood because 你 "fell down the stairs and through a window" all while Edward was trying to "talk 你 out of moving out", Edward leaves her in the woods 2 days after her birthday crying from their break up, Edward is the reason why Bella stares out of her window for several months and screams in the middle of the night, Bella runs away to Italy while her father is at a funeral because of Edward, and after all of this Edward returns and everything is back to "normal". But of course Bella is too selfish to notice and Smeyer is trying to make it look as if Charlie is the bad guy. Charlie was a great father to Bella but when Edwards comes into her life, she's a total jerk in return and pays him back 由 making him dinner. Bella is 更多 respectful to Carlisle who is not her father.

2. Bella with Mike Newton/other human friends
I find it funny when people think that I'm kidding when I say that Bella should have ended up with Mike Newton. Mike Newton was the only person in the entire series that stayed 由 Bella's side for the entire time. Angela Weber was very loyal as well. If you've read at least of the beginning of Midnight Sun then you'd know that both Angela and Mike really liked Bella when they first met her. But of course Bella ignores them because Edward Cullen is the best boyfriend ever (even though he dumped 你 left 你 depressed for several months and has tried to kill you). Bella never noticed that Mike, Angela, her other human friends, and Charlie were some of the only people who cared about her but, like I 说 before, her head was too wrapped around Edward and she refused to appreciate anything else.

3. Bella with Jacob
I really liked Twilight and beginning of New Moon Jacob. He was a great friend and could have easily been a great boyfriend. Bella had her chance to take her relationship with Jacob and soar off with it. What made me 'Team Edward' was when Edward returned which totally changed Jacob into a different person (due to hatred and jealousy). I believe that Smeyer altered almost all of his characteristics and made them darker to make Edward look like an 天使 and Jacob like a devil. Anyway, towards the end of Eclipse we're all fully aware that Jacob was in 爱情 with Bella and Bella has absolutely no idea what to do to keep both Jacob and Edward happy. 接吻 Jacob was a last resort option. But at the same time, did she really have to kiss him? Jacob is an awful friend for persuading his ENGAGED best friend to 吻乐队（Kiss） him. At times like this, Bella's selfishness should have came out. She needed to defend herself properly. Her boyfriend proposed her 24 hours ago. On her finger is his mother's ring. Now is time to make a choice, Bella. She was wrong for 接吻 Jacob and he was wrong for initiating it. I do feel for Bella because she had no idea what to do in this situation. But cheating on your fiancee is never the solution.

4. Bella with Bella
Bella had absoloutely no idea what she wanted in life aside from Edward. She put Edward before her own self, her family, and her friends. She turned down amazing schools for Edward and wasted what was supposed to be the funnest stage of her life all for Edward. What makes he really not like her is the fact that she did all these things for Edward all while there is no 爱情 in the relationship. They say 'I 爱情 you' every so often but they fail to really 显示 it. Their relationship is built off of obsession and lust. I still find Edward and Bella's marriage disturbing because it was only done for sex. Unlike Harry Potter, Twilight is a strictly female YA/A book whereas Potter is for all ages and both sexes and since Smeyer has a bigger fanbase of young girls, she should be selling POSTIVE messages to to. Bella is supposed to be the ideal head female that we are supposed to look up to. This means that we're supposed to marry for sex, listen to a majority of out boyfriends/husbands' demands, obsess about them, almost kill ourselves when they leave us, throw away all of our hopes and dreams to accomidate their needs. But in Bella's case, what hopes and dreams? She has no characteristics aside from 'clumsy'.

"I was pleased 由 how often my face – both of my faces, hideous human and glorious immortal – cropped up in her unconscious thoughts." Breaking Dawn page 469

"I guess my brain will never work right. At least I’m pretty." Breaking Dawn page 406

Wow, thanks Bella. You're really giving us human girls a great name! I guess I'll have to stab myself with poisonous vampire venom to look like Beyonce..

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cassie-1-2-3 There's no law that says people have to respect their father at all times. I don't care about the emotional aspect of the situation. The bottom line is that Charlie had no legal right to ban Bella from her boyfriend. Bella could have moved out if she wanted. She's allowed. What did Edward do to Bella besides break up with her? He hurt her feelings, oh well. He's not legally responsible for Bella's depression, and there's nothing illegal about making someone sad. Edward was not at fault here. Some people may not [i]like[/i] the system, but that doesn't matter. It is what it is.

cunha27 Bella was well within her rights to move out. In fact moving out was the right thing to do. She was an adult and old enough to decide for herself who she should go out with or not. It was not up to Charlie to pick her boyfriends. She was also right to be angry with her father as it was demeaning for Charlie to make such a demand on Bella. Bella should have moved out because at the end of the day Charlie was also entitled to have whatever rules he wanted in his household. As Bella did not agree with them and did not want to live by those rules, the logical step was to move out. Charlie should have felt bad and apologised to Bella. Lucky that at least Bella seemed to be aware they were living in the 21st century and not the 19th when fathers and husbands had total control over their daughters/wives lives and reproductive rights.

omg_stop You think they have to drink to have fun? That's the kind of thinking that gets trashy young people pregnant too early. Smart people know how to have fun without beer

omg_stop And you're only 16? I hope you grow up and get over that fast

alexisn10 It has nothing to do with laws. It's all just simple morals. Move out for a necesarry reason not for some guy. Bella knew that Charlie was very lonely when Bella and her mother but Bella didn't care. She put Edward right before her own father. I don't know but that all sounds really messed up espcially because Charlie put up with her while she was depressed while Edward was doing God knows what. Bella dramatized the situation. Yes, Bella could have moved out if she wanted to but remember, her own father really enjoyed her company and her presence kept him from being lonely. She was selfish daughter for even bringing it up! @cassie/cunha Charlie had no idea what went on in the woods. Seeing how depressed Bella was from it, he probably though Edward raped her or hit her or something. She was in fetal position crying for several hours. As a cop and a dad, Charlie had to watch out for that guy. I don't blame him for hating Edward.

cunha27 The issue isn't wether he was right to hate or not hate Edward. The problem is that regardless of how he felt about Edward, he had no right to make such a demand on Bella. I have a very, very, very strict dad (was not allowed to date at all) who I know loves me very much, but even he knows the limits to his authority over me and has enough respect and consideration to have never made those kinds of demands on me once I became an adult. He respects me enough to let me make my own choices. If he thinks they're bad ones, he'll [i]advise[/i] me against it, he'd never demand I do what he wants me to do. My mind boggles at the amount of criticism that usually gets thrown at Bella for "setting women's rights backwards" when she supposedly is submissive with Edward, and then when she exerts her rights as an adult, she gets criticised for being rude and unfeeling. Charlie was in the wrong big time and Bella reacted as she should have

alexisn10 @omg-stop So you think Harvard/Yale/Oxford/Princeton/any other Ivy League school students sit around reading books for fun? LOL, no. I never said alcohol is the only source of fun. I just used it as an example. Besides, people who get pregnant early are attention whores that screw everything that moves sober or not. [b]And you're only 16? I hope you grow up and get over that fast [/b] a. I don't drink (I was just using it as an example, like I said before) b. I'll get around to it.

cassie-1-2-3 As an enforcer of the law, Charlie has to be reasonable. Bella had no marking to indicate physical abuse. Even after she was evaluated by a doctor. If Charlie is going to go around enforcing new rules just because of something he thinks that is not based on any physical evidence, then I think Bella should have moved out. Depression is not always brought on by majorly traumatic and violent experiences, but I know where you stand on that... so I'll just let that go. I would think Charlie would know better, though.

alexisn10 @cunha27 I would have made the same demand if Edward left my daughter in that condition. She screamed in the middle of the night because of him and ignored almost everyone that spoke to her. Charlie had to deal with that for months. Bella wasn't wrong for standing up for Edward but she [i]was[/i] wrong for threatning to move out. She could have easily said "Look dad, I know he was wrong but I've forgiven him. I love him and this is real". Charlie is sympathetic and it'd take him a while to get over it but he finally would.

cunha27 @ alexisn10: And you'd find out you'd get the same response from your daughter as Charlie got from Bella. Adults don't take kindly to other people directing their relationships. Like I said before Charlie was in the wrong big time and Bella reacted as she should have. Had Charlie really thought Edward had done something wrong to Bella, he would not have left her to wallow in her bedroom for all those months. He'd get her checked out by a doctor and/or therapist and what not. "Charlie is sympathetic and it'd take him a while to get over it but he finally would" - No, he was being a chauvinistic p$g, she was right to put her foot down and not let him get away with it. Bella was an adult and did not need her dad to protect her from her own decisions

tsmith120 Fair enough. Legal age means nothing, parents are often going to want to protect their children anyway - and that's a good thing, in my opinion. And I don't think that bella should have given Charlie that "low blow", it seems childish and petty. Did she think "shall I think about his perspective? The guy who's had to put up with me doing all this crazy shit without a full explanation?" Nah, she thinks "I want, I want, I want, me me me me my my my my my now now now..."(along those lines, it seems). If she'd been patient with him, shown him it was a perfectly rational decision to get back with Edward then Charlie may have come around, and would resent the two less for it. She just doesn't seem to be able to look past herself, which makes her a weak protagonist and poor role model. Actually, a lack of character seems to make her a weak protagonist.

ClaireVoyant I like charlie when I read the first book. charlie is actually a good father, and some of his action are actually make sense! he have reason to distrust edward! if only bella will stop thinking about her own interest and start to think about people other than vampires (her father! her family!) that care for her too. @cunha I disagree if you said that he become chauvinist pig, extremely one sided view. because bella are at fault too, when it comes to caring about people other than edward she completely crap at it.... try to see from his Point Of View not just from bella.... being adult doesn't make your family unimportant to your life, parents will always cared for their children no matter what their age are. and threatening/throwing tantrum like what bella's doing to charlie are not exactly a mature thing to do, sit down and talk are. -.-

cunha27 @ tsmith: There's a time and place to be understanding and even to put up with a loved one's behaviour that under normal circumstances you'd find unacceptable, however there are a number of things that are non negationable and should never be tolerated. Depriving an adult of their freedom and keeping them away from their chosen life partner is one such thing. Charlie was supposedly the more mature of the two, yet it was up to Bella to draw his attention to how ridiculously out of line his demands were, and yes she did have to speak to him that way because he was refusing to listen to her. Loving someone and wanting the best for them is not a valid excuse or a pass to walk all over someone's rights. Legal age means a lot. It means one is responsible for their own actions and should be treated accordingly. It was not up to Bella to wait for Charlie to calm down and maybe come round to her way of thinking because he was in the wrong. What kind of role model puts up with totally unacceptable behaviour and then patiently waits however long it takes for the transgressor (who should know better) to calm down and maybe, possibly, if she chooses the right words, come around to her way of thinking? A weak one! This is one of the times where Bella shows herself as strong and willing to fight for what she finds important. @ ClairVoyant: no, not a one sided view, a different view from yours. I didn't say he was a chauvinistic pig, I said he [b][i]was being[/b][/i] a chuvenistic pig - there is a difference. I like Charlie as well, but in this instance he was very wrong, and it was right for Bella to have put her foot down and not let him get away with it. Her reaction was a lot more mature than Charlie's.

cassie-1-2-3 Caring for your father does not mean that you much obey his every command. It is possible to make personal decisions for yourself AND still care about the people who oppose. This wasn't just some simple advice, like telling Bella what type of savings account she should open or to eat more vegetables. This was a decision that would effect her entire life. Just so you guys can relate... Imagine you're a legal adult and you came into a lot of money. Enough money to pay for your entire college tuition. Now imagine that your father decides to forbid you to going to the one University you want to go most. No other Universities offer the opportunities you desire. His only reasoning is that the location of the university has really bad weather. Would you allow him to forbid you, or would you disobey his orders and go to school where you want to go to school. You're an adult, he's not paying, why should it be his decision?

alexisn10 Legal age doesn't mean ANYTHING when it comes to family. Like tsmith said she could have sat Charlie down and discussed why she forgave Edward calmly (leaving the vampire part out of course). You NEVER throw low blows at your parents or even anyone in particular. It doesn't matter if Bella was 18 or 80 for the most part Charlie was her father, Charlie watched after her, Charlie loved her, Charlie cared for her and her mother, Charlie didn't want Bella to leave and Bella was fully aware of it. Threatening her father like that makes me physically ill. That type of disrespect (especially to her own dad) is just disgusting to me. What angers me the most is that Bella never spoke like that to Carlisle. She always respected him yet she was so disrespectful and ungreatful to her own father.

cassie-1-2-3 Carlisle never tried to control Bella's dating life. But it's still true that Charlie has no legal authority over Bella. This is just a fact, it has nothing to do with liking or disliking Bella. The same applies to all legal adults. She doesn't have to do ANYTHING he says. But she respects him enough to be grounded, despite being 18. She respects him enough to still do chores around the house. She respects him enough to continue to follow his rules. But when he makes an unreasonable rule, she has every right to not obey. Sorry, but when do you suggest a person take control of their own life?

cunha27 @ alexisn10: "Legal age doesn't mean ANYTHING when it comes to family." - Of course it does. Legal age may not have any bearing on a parent's feelings towards their offspring, but it certainly has a bearing on the way they are treated. Frankly it's disrespectful, abusive and just plain wrong to treat an adult offspring as a child. Like I said before loving someone and wanting the best for them is not a valid excuse or a pass to walk all over someone's rights. "What angers me the most is that Bella never spoke like that to Carlisle. She always respected him yet she was so disrespectful and ungreatful to her own father. " - that's because Bella is a good and respectful daughter who knows when to draw the line and when to stand up for herself. She respects her father but will not let him make unacceptable demands on her. “Threatening her father like that makes me physically ill. That type of disrespect (especially to her own dad) is just disgusting to me.” - In my opinion that's quite a bit over reactive but they're your feelings and you're entitled to them. It doesn't change the fact that Charlie was very wrong and that what he was doing should not be tolerated.

cunha27 [b]Bella with Mike Newton/other human friends[/b] “I find it funny when people think that I'm kidding when I say that Bella should have ended up with Mike Newton. Mike Newton was the only person in the entire series that stayed by Bella's side for the entire time.” - That's all well and fine, but Bella was not attracted to him. He could be the sweetest, best looking, most responsible and best at everything person ever, but if he doesn't rock Bella's boat then Bella should not end up with him. “But of course Bella ignores them because Edward Cullen is the best boyfriend ever” - Bella does not ignore them. She just starts spending more time with Edward. That's what happens when a person gets a boyfriend/girlfriend. They end up having to divide their time between more people and as such they have less time to spend with everyone individually. So they prioritise and it's natural for Bella to want to spend more time with her new boyfriend than with her friends. She was obviously still pretty close to all her friends as they were all present at her wedding.

cunha27 [b]Bella with Bella[/b] “Bella had absolutely no idea what she wanted in life aside from Edward” - That's fairly normal for an 18 year old. Many people don't figure out what they want out of their life until well through adulthood “She put Edward before her own self, her family, and her friends.” - True and false. It's a romance story and Edward is the love of her life and her life partner. She should put him above every one else as he's who she plans start a family with. However she does not sacrifice everything for Edward. Eg she went against Edward to protect her unborn child. She put her child above Edward. She continued her relationship with Jacob in spite of Edward's disapproval. Bella was more than willing to stand up for herself and her convictions. “They say 'I love you' every so often but they fail to really show it.” - Edward fought James hand to hand to protect Bella. He exerted incredible control to stop himself from draining her totally, he refused to change her into a vampire because he wanted her to enjoy being alive and didn't want her to give up anything. He shared the secret of his true nature with her, ie that he was a vampire. He explained to her in detail the dangers involved with having a relationship with a vampire. He left her so she would be safe from Vampires. He married her. He cut short his honeymoon to rush her to a doctor when he found out she could be pregnant and how dangerous it was to her. He stayed with Bella and was totally distraught as she wasted away before him. Bella put herself in constant danger by being around vampires, she travelled all the way to Italy to save Edward, she stood her ground against a powerful vampire clan, she withstood opposition to her relationship from everyone, she married him, she became a vampire so as to spend eternity with him, etc. The series is nothing but one proof over another that Bella and Edward love each other. “Their relationship is built off of obsession and lust. I still find Edward and Bella's marriage disturbing because it was only done for sex.” - Are you sure you read the series? Because Bella was more than willing to have sex with Edward before getting married. There was nothing stopping them from having premarital sex. As for being very attracted to your partner, last I checked it's one of the many important prerequisites to a lasting relationship. You are supposed to be very attracted to your partner. "Smeyer has a bigger fanbase of young girls, she should be selling POSTIVE messages" - Nope. Meyer did not write Twilight for children, nor as a moral preachy story. She simply wrote a romance about an average young woman and a vampire. It just happened that people bought the books, read them decided they liked them and THEN became fans. A writer should write their own story, not give in to pressure and change it simply because the readers or their parents want something to happen a certain way. "Bella is supposed to be the ideal head female that we are supposed to look up to" - Says who? Besides there is no such thing as an ideal “head female.” Every woman is different and has different strengths, weaknesses and quirks. What's ideal for someone is totally unsuitable for someone else. Bella is just an example of one type of woman. "Unlike Harry Potter, Twilight is a strictly female YA/A book whereas Potter is for all ages and both sexes " - What does that have to do with Bella's relationship with herself?

alexisn10 [b]Bella does not ignore them. She just starts spending more time with Edward. That's what happens when a person gets a boyfriend/girlfriend. They end up having to divide their time between more people and as such they have less time to spend with everyone individually. So they prioritise and it's natural for Bella to want to spend more time with her new boyfriend than with her friends. She was obviously still pretty close to all her friends as they were all present at her wedding.[/b] After Edward returned (when Charlie made her hang out with her other friends from school) she only hung out with one person (Angela Weber) and it was only once. She barely exchanged any words with them afterwards. [b]That's fairly normal for an 18 year old. Many people don't figure out what they want out of their life until well through adulthood[/b] But at 18 you should at least have a tiny bright idea about what you want to do with your life. She basically threw away all her hopes and dreams for Edward. But at the same time [i]what[/i] hopes and dreams? Smeyer didn't supply us with any. Which is why I think she's very dry character. And as narrator, she should have at least one like other than Edward. [b]Are you sure you read the series? Because Bella was more than willing to have sex with Edward before getting married. There was nothing stopping them from having premarital sex. As for being very attracted to your partner, last I checked it's one of the many important prerequisites to a lasting relationship. You are supposed to be very attracted to your partner.[/b] I've read it several times, LOL and from what I remember, Bella rejected Edward's proposal until Edward brought up the sex compromise. I haven't read the books in a while but I do remember Edward calling Bella Mrs. Cullen and her being frightened by her new name. If she was really sure about marrying Edward then she'd be totally okay with it and happy to hear him say it. [b]Nope. Meyer did not write Twilight for children, nor as a moral preachy story. She simply wrote a romance about an average young woman and a vampire. It just happened that people bought the books, read them decided they liked them and THEN became fans. A writer should write their own story, not give in to pressure and change it simply because the readers or their parents want something to happen a certain way.[/b] All books have themes. From child books to adult books. Age has nothing to do with it. The themes I'm finding in Twilight aren't very inspiring (ex. eternal youth is the only thing that leads to beauty/male dependency...)

cassie-1-2-3 I don't get why people only allow Bella and Edward to provide themes for them, but allow Neville, Hagrid, Luna, and Dobby to actually contribute to what the Harry Potter series is. Were Alice, Rene, Rosalie, Leah, Sue, Esme, Kate, Angela, Irene, Jane, and all the other females "male dependent" also? Bella probably depended on people who happened to be male the most, but why is she the only character anyone considers? It's only a theme if it's reoccuring among different aspects of the story. Not something that just happens once, or with only one character.

cassie-1-2-3 But I think my comments are just being ignored now.

cunha27 @ alexisn10: [b]Regarding Bella ignoring her friends:[/b] Again, she had more people to divide her time with so she prioritised and naturally her life partner will get a larger share of her time. Secondly we already know that Charlie at this time does not like Edward so it's fair to say that he'd think any time she spent with Edward was too much time. Thirdly just because it isn't mentioned in the books, it doesn't mean it doesn't take place at all, it just means it doesn't add to the tale and the tale is Bella's romance with Edward. I mean are we to assume Harry, Hermione and Ron only shower and bathe as many times as it's mentioned in the books? Are we then supposed to take from this that JK wanted to tell us that personal hygiene is unimportant? Of course not! If Bella had been such a bad friend as everyone keeps making her out to be, she would not have invited any of them to her wedding and if she had, none of them would have turned up to it, let alone be happy to be there. Even Jacob showed up for Bella even though he did not agree with Bella getting married. [b]Bella's hope and dreams:[/b] Again it's very normal for someone at 18 to either have no idea at all about what they want in life (yes, even a tiny bright idea) or to change their mind about it. [b]"But at 18 you should at least have a tiny bright idea about what you want to do with your life. She basically threw away all her hopes and dreams for Edward."[/b] - Ok, you need to make up your mind here. Either she has no idea about what to do with her life and therefore has no hopes and dreams or she knew what she wanted to do with her life but threw it all away to be with Edward. [b]The marriage only being done for sex point[/b] – Getting married wasn't as important to Bella as it was to Edward. Her parents were divorced and she'd been brought up by her mum to view marriage as something unnecessary and even stupid. It was however very important to Edward. At the same time it was very important to Bella that she got to experience sex with Edward while she was still a human, something Edward was very much against. He had no problems with doing it after she'd been turned but not before as he didn't want her to get hurt. So they discussed what they wanted and made compromises. That's as it should be in relationships. Bella got married because it was important to Edward and Edward had sex with Bella before turning her because it was important to Bella. [b]Regarding message in Twilight[/b] - “All books have themes. From child books to adult books. Age has nothing to do with it”- Yes, all books have themes, but not all books have an explicit message or are intended to teach or preach. This is particularly true with works of fiction. eg the main theme in Harry Potter is death, in Twilight it's choices. The whole series is about the choices Bella has and makes. Moving to Forks or staying with her mum, Jacob or Edward, marriage or not, becoming a vampire or staying human, etc, etc. It doesn't however preach us about what choices she should have made nor tell us what is the right choice and what is the wrong choice. The message you took from Twilight is your own interpretation of the book, not what the book is about.

cunha27 @ cassie-1-2-3: I agree totally with you. It's part of the reasons why even though I'm slightly more of a HP fan, I find that I have to come to the defence of Twilight more often. I find it annoying the double standard in the way arguments are made and presented when comparing both books. Specially in regards to Bella. All her bad points are nitpicked, exaggerated, taken out of context and anything positive is either dismissed or ignored. It would be just as easy if not easier to nit pick at every single negative thing in the Harry Potter series, apply the same techniques used to criticise Twilight and end up painting Harry Potter as nothing more that a corruptive children's book

KateKicksAss Okay, I would totally rebut this article, but cassie and cunha have said it all.

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粉丝辩论 Harry Potter vs Twilight: 问题 One

posted by cuteypuffgirl

***NOTE: I did not write this but found it online! No credit to me***

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The Twilight vs. Harry Potter 辩论 : Team Potter and Team Twilight take on 问题 #1

December 24, 12:44 AM
由 Michelle Kerns, Book Examiner

If 你 haven't met the members of the Twilight versus Harry Potter 辩论 Team, cast your eye on their qualifications here.
Now, on to the debate! If you've got your own opinions (and what self-respecting Twi-hard 或者 Potter head doesn't?), feel free to leave a 评论 at the bottom of the page. However, let's remember we are civilized witches, wizards, vampires, and werewolves...

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What do 你 see in Harry Potter?

posted by mariella721

Okay guys, I know everyone's got their own opinion and not everyone has the RIGHT opinion, but as a Twilight fan, can one of 你 Potter 粉丝 explain what 你 guys see in Harry Potter? Honestly, I haven't read all the books, but I've seen all the 电影院 and they just don't make any sense. And another thing, the plot is bland and there's no real depth to it, like in Twilight. Harry Potter, also has no 爱情 in it, which makes for a boring story. Anyways, I just wanted to know what 你 crazies see in those 图书 and stuff...

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reasons why twilight is HORRIBLE!!!!

posted by sy-sy

1. its just all thrown together and the 电影院 leave out way to much.
2. it has no meaning just a girl falls in 爱情 then is a vampire the end.
3. is just plain stupid.simple as that
4. theres nothing to figure out. its to predictable.
5. it dosent have enough back story which goes back to # 1
6.and stephine myer wants to keep all the good players while j.k. isnt afraid to for the sake of the book
7.why doesnt she mentention why bellas parent got seperated which geos back to #4
8. it has no plot
9. the problem is the same all the way throughout the sires as h.p. faces many problems.
10.its down right boring hmm lets read the same boring thing over and over! yea! NOT!
TEN REASONS TWILIGHT IS HORRIBLE!!!!

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Why I hate Twilight.

posted by RavenclawRocks

Before 你 all come out with pitchforks and guns, I'd just like to say this is my opinion.

1, Half of the 粉丝 only like Twilight, because they think Rob/Taylor is hot.

2, I can't argue about the plot because there isn't one.

3, Bella has no personaility.

4, Edward is just plain creepy.

5, Bella always needs a man in her life. When Edward leaves she needs Jacob. This is really stupid.

6,Bella wouldn't even look at Edward if he wasn't hot.

7, Edward wouldn't look at Bella if she didn't smell good.

8, It gives a bad message. Like kill yourself when your sparkly boyfriend is around. 或者 there is no point in being happy unless 你 have a boyfriend. 或者 it's ok to ditch your 老友记 to 日期 a super hot vampire.

9,Meyer constantly repeats the same words to tell us how hot Edward is. This gets boring after two pages.

10, The actors suck.

There,ten reasons. Feel free to add on more.

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Bella vs. Luna

posted by i-am-mariella

I’ve seen articles, like bri-marie’s, comparing Bella, Twilight’s “heroine” to the girls and female role 模特 of the Harry Potter 图书 like Hermione and Ginny. I agree with them whole-heartedly and I am happy to follow in the footsteps of strong women from Harry Potter – like Ginny, who is fierce and pretty bad-ass and just 总体, 整体 a strong female, and Hermione, who is studious and smart and witty and the boys often rely on her skills and “genius.” Because let’s face it – and Ron says it himself – where would they be without Hermione?
So I wanted to make my own because...

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One reason why Harry Potter is better than Twilight.

posted by acciokelsey

"This 吻乐队（Kiss） between Hermione and Ron is highly anticipated, it's been building up for eight films now. And Harry Potter is not Twilight, 你 know; we're not selling sex." - Emma Watson

If 你 think Emma Watson is stupid for quoting this, 你 are outta your mind. 你 think Twilight's not selling sex? Irony. Irony how some twi-hards reason out "BECAUSE EDWARD CULLEN IS SO SEXY!!!" if asked why Twilight is better than Harry Potter.

For me, Twilight is just 流行的 'cause it has sex appeal. Wait for several years, no one will be talking about Twilight anymore.. Harry Potter won't be talked about that much but it will never be forgotten.In my case, I know Harry Potter will be a future classic.

Twilight 粉丝 go ahead and attack me, whenever you're ready.

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Harry Potter vs Twilight- my opinion

posted by LoopyLuna96

Obviously, this spot is about debating Harry Potter and Twilight, and I realised I've never written an article, so I decided to put down all my reasons for Harry Potter being better than Twilight.

Firstly, the 'love' in Twilight is not love. It is over powered lust. To my memory, Edwrad and Bella never have a conversation about from who loves the other more. Edward likes Bella because she smells good, Bella likes Edward because he's 'handsome' (which can't even be proven, he's a book character, we never see him).

The 爱情 in Harry Potter is shown as an amazing, all powerful thing that can sace...

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The Final Battle: Part 2

posted by harrypotterbest

Harry woke up the 下一个 morning with a feeling as though there was a heavy block in his stomach. He got ready and dressed and went downstairs. Ginny was already at the table, waiting for him. She smiled nervously at him, and he 说 to her ‘Don’t worry; compared to what we’ve been through, this is practice.’
Ginny laughed, and Harry felt pleased. They got their children ready, and dropped them off at the wizard 日 care, as every adult wizard would be in the battle.
Harry and Ginny apparated with Ron and Hermione to the Cullen backyard, where the battle would commence. When they got...

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Good Morning Voldemort!

posted by ABDCFan-

'Good Morning Voldemort' - The HP Version on 'Good Morning Baltimore', from the Musical, Hairspray.

Oh, oh, oh
Woke up today
Feeling the way i always do
Oh, oh, oh
Hungry for Magic
That i can't eat
Then i hear that beat
That rhythm of Voldie
Starts calling me down
It's like a message from
High above
Oh, oh, oh
Pulling me out
To the smiles and the
Streets that i love

Good morning Voldemort!
Every day's like an evil encore
Every night is a fantasy
Every sound's like a death to me!

Good morning Voldemort!
And some 日 when i take to the floor
The world's gonna wake up and see
Voldemort and me!

Oh, oh, oh
Look at my wand...

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Why Harry Potter is better.

posted by MissKnowItAll

I have read a lot of 文章 etc like this, but I thought I would write m own 查看 down.

One thing I have heard about Twilight being better is that SMeyer is a better writer. I ask you, how on earth is SMeyer a better writer.

Take this sentence from New Moon:

'Suddenly, it(the bike) looked intimidating, frightening, as I realised I would soon be astride it.'

How does that flow as a sentence? It has two separate realisations together in one sentence. I found it awkward to read.

SMeyer doesn’t make us connect with her characters. She doesn’t describe their feeling well at all. She is not a good...

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吸血鬼 vs Wizards Which I Would Rather Be

posted by Kersian

So I surfing the web when I ran into one of the pages from this site. It was a 问题 asking which would 你 rather be, a vampire 或者 a wizard? I immediately answered wizard and I added 3 quick reasons why. That was several months 以前 and now I wondered if my answer was reasonable enough. I also read other people's reason and I admit some of them sounded very childish and naive.

Now I will start 由 defining the two 由 their origins. 吸血鬼 and wizards, because that was the question. Not Twilight 吸血鬼或者 HP Wizards, but since that 民意调查 was under those topics I'm guessing I will talk...

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HP vs TWILIGHT(??)

posted by roobiip

My 问题 is Is anyone alse tired of this "HP vs Twilight" things??
Because it is driving me crazy..

First of all I need to say I 爱情 THEM BOTH so much!! I think HP was extremely original I grew up with it and I looove it.. and Twilight is so romantic, I mean, could they be 更多 crazy about each other?? (NOPE!!), and I looove it too!! (L) =]

However one thing is true:
Most twilight 粉丝 ARE crazy, annoying, funny, scary, etc.. being one I talked to many and some were really funny (they actually believed they were going to marry Edward) and others really scared me (because I loved HP too they...