And ofcourse 6.21! But I think the 5.05 flashbacks were definitely the most informative, and crucial for the rest of season 5's storylines. They really showed us HOW all of the characters made it to where they were 4 years after high school... which I felt needed to be explained

The flashbacks showed Brooke's success with clothes over bros, naley first starting out as a family with Jamie, Nathan still pursuing his basketball career, obviously Leyton and where their relationship peaked then went downhill, and Lucas' book being pulished and him starting his career as an author. All of which are very crucial aspects that we needed to be filled in on. So sure, the other flashback options were all great and entertaining, but for me 5.05 was by far the most informative!

how does 6.21 make you understand something you didn't get before? that's like saying the flashbacks in 2.17 make you understand something you didn't understand. there's no hidden secret behind them, it's just a nice flashback for a couple.

Yeah, 6.21 doesn't really tell you anything, but Yeah this definetly gave a lot of information.

^ I see your point about 6.21 not being as informative as the others.... but I can see why some of us would still find it somewhat informative. It wasn't all about re-emphasizing things that we already knew. It showed Lucas and peytons past relationship in a NEW light, and a new level of their relationship that we hadn't seen before. It reassured the audience that getting married, having kids, and starting a family together IS something that they had addressed before, and it IS something that they wanted. as opposed to Peyton being pregnant just being a surprise, that they had no choice but to accept or something.

Those flashbacks proved to us that all of that was Leytons dream that they wanted together all along, and that their dream was coming true. Their situation that they ended up in wasn't just a result of how things unfolded, it was also what Lucas and Peyton both truly wanted for their relationship, and something that they had addressed before. we didn't know that before the flashbacks.

It may not have necessarily been crucial for EVERYONE to see, since those people who aren't Leyton fans probably didn't really care to see it, or because these flashbacks didn't include all of the characters... But I do think that it was informative to some extent.

Well, and I'm honestly not trying to start an argument here, but i don't think those flashbacks served any other purpose than to try and rewrite history.

Please do not jump down my throat, but it was always pretty obvious that Mark didn't give 2 shits about continuity. Those flashbacks not only just further pushed LP at the audience, they totally went against other stuff we had been told/shown.

And before you say that's not the case, i actually made a pick about this a while ago. In 6x21 Peyton talks about how she sent numerous copies of his novel out, yet back in 5x06 when they fight, he claims she didn't believe in him. I'm not gonna argue with anybody but come on, at some point we all have to admit that at least that part really was just bullshit thrown in to try and make people like LP more.

Like i said, not gonna argue with anybody, but i know quite a few LP fans even acknowledged how BS that was.

word holly the others really weren't informative with maybe the exception of 609 we got insight into Peyton's history after 505 and 505 were the best set of flashbacks that gave us information

It's no secret that mark has never been on top of his game, continuity wise. But that's in ALL aspects of the show, not just when it comes to LP. Saying that mark adds these flashbacks and "rewrites history" just to shove Leyton down our throats, and make people like them more is kind of a ridiculous statement. He adds flashbacks to add storylines to the show, and provide further background for the current storylines... not to try and change peoples' opinions about characters or make them like characters more.

No offense, but it comes across like you feel that mark is desperate to convert people into LP fans, because nobody likes them like he hoped they would or something lol. But that's not the case, PLENTY of people like Leyton, and Leyton already had a HUGE fanbase before mark even started "rewriting history". It's not like Mark is so desperate to scrap up any last minute Leyton fans that he can get lol. The assumption that THAT is the reason for these flashbacks just comes across as ignorant and just bitterness. but as you said, "I'm not trying to start an argument". You have the right to feel that way, but acting as if LP were the only part that Mark was off with his continuity, and that he needed to rewrite history to make people like them is not accurate at all

Let me ask you a question Kelly.

Where in my comment did i say LP were the only part that was off continuity wise?? I didn't say that at all.

Where in my comment did i say those flashbacks were to shove them down our throats?? My exact words were Those flashbacks not only just further pushed LP at the audience, they totally went against other stuff we had been told/shown.

Nowhere in there did i make any allusions that LP didn't already have a big fanbase, nowhere in there did u say anything bitter. My main point was the contradictory nature of the flashbacks in respect to the fight in 5x06. While yes, i do believe that Mark & co. often tried to make LP look better, that in no way is me saying they don't have a big fanbase.

PLEASE STOP TWISTING STUFF AROUND AND TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I'M SAYING DIFFERENT STUFF.

I genuinely wasn't trying to bash LP or cause arguments. Most people know that I've come to accept LP, so you should probably stop trying to make me look like some big LP hater every chance you get because it's bullshit. I'm just not a hypocrite.

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^^^ I even said something about it back then: It didn't really pop in my head when the episode aired but WHAT THE FUCK?!? Do these writers not believe in continuity AT ALL?? There's no way they can excuse this or try to say that Luke didn't know she had done that, so wtf was the point??

I would feel the same way if Brucas or Naley had that kind of crap done. It's a sign of BAD WRITING when you can't even stick to what you wrote a season and a half before. It has NOTHING to do with feelings about LP, i really just do not like sucky writing.

It was great episode as well.

i looove tht episode, but 6.21 was really really good too :D

5x05, showed us exactly what happened,one long falshback.
It explained so much we saw how they all got to certain places and certain emotions.
Without the others we would still understand the rest of the season, but without 5x05 we would be so confused on what happened. Especially with leyton<3

Finishing S4 with happy LP as a couple and starting S5 with manface Lindsey in the picture was pretty traumatic. Episode 5x05 finally explained what happened, why the break up took place & how thi monster was in my life. Joking aside, it was really good to understand what happened over the past 4 years.