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PROOF That Regina Is NOT The TRUE VILLAIN!

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zylice said:
Remember that Rumple/Mr Gold can see into the 'future' (apparently..)
posted 一年多以前.
 
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zylice said:
Olympiias wrote:
I think in the end we will find out Rumple manipulated the whole thing...Even down to Daniel's death by Cora and Regina's hatred of Snow..etc. Remember without the prior events, the Dark Curse, Invented by Rumple, would never have been used.

I think in the end Rumple will be the true villain, not Regina.

I agree. I think Rump knew Cora before Regina was even born. Since the show likes to remind us (read: drill it into our heads) that "evil isn't born, it's made" I think we will eventually see how Rumpel "made" Regina evil, possibly orchestrating it from her very birth. This will of course absolve Regina and make us feel real sympathy for her, in that, she never even had a choice between good and evil, only the illusion of choice. This was all a predetermined fate from Rumpel (remember that Rumpel is clairvoyant and therefore can, to some degree, see the future).

In the original fairy tale, The Miller's Daughter makes a deal with Rumpel over ownership of her child. I can see something similar happening here: Rumpel "owning" Regina in that he controlled what happened to her, how she was treated, etc. all to make her into the evil woman she had to be in order to kill her father and enact Rumpel's curse.
posted 一年多以前.
 
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amshafe said:
Yeah, except the Miller's daughter (Cora in OUAT) doesn't end up giving Rumpel the child and ends up tricking him and getting out of the deal in the story. Cora to me has been portrayed as pure evil who doesn't even believe in love. I think Cora is the real villain here.

Also, I don't think that Cora let Rumpel have "ownership" of Regina. If anything, he saw how much Regina hated her mother and saw an opportunity. We saw how cold blooded Cora was, I don't think she was any "victim" manipulated by Rumpel. She was power hungry and saw her daughter as a means to an end, and as property. Even Rumpel as the dark one could feel love and believe in it, after losing Belle. (As you can see with his conversation with Charming). You can't say the same about Cora.


I don't like it when people are too eager to blame Rumpelstiltskin for everything. That essentially to me is trying to take responsibility entirely away from Regina by trying to do that. No matter how she was manipulated, she still made her choices. Same with Rumpel.

There's always a choice. That's a big theme throughout the show in fact. I don't agree that being manipulated takes away all responsibility.

In that case, does Rumpel get absolved of all responsibility because he was manipulated and tricked into becoming the "Dark One"? Because people seem to only bring up Regina's manipulation. Rumpel was manipulated just as much, because of his love for his son. He didn't know what he was doing or getting into.

They were both manipulated and have manipulated each other, for different reasons. Also, we know that Rumpel did not manipulate Regina to do many of the things she did. For example, Belle's imprisonment or killing Graham.

I don't think it's been proven that Rumpel can see into the future either, I think that's not true. Otherwise he would be able to find his son and know where he went at the very least.

Also, the writers have said also that "evil for evil's sake" is boring. This applies to both Regina and Gold. Gold didn't start the way he was either. We saw his flashbacks with his son. The worst thing he did was run away because he didn't want his son to die.

I just feel like too many Regina stans are like "it's all Rumpel's fault, evil is made not born", but look, the same goes for Rumpel. I don't see how his backstory is not sympathetic, knowing what happened for him to become the "Dark One".
posted 一年多以前.