Doomed character spotted in Zumaia & Four characters on new quest (SPOILERS!) 

Production moved from Biscay to Gipuzkoa this weekend and it has not been idle since. Zumaia has been witness to friendly and tense reunions and a momentous convergence. Today, on the third day of filming at Itzurun beach, is no different, as a main character whose fate was perhaps thought of as doomed last season returns to the narrative, and joins three other main characters on a new quest to parts unknown.

Yersterday Iain Glen was spotted in Bilbao, so it wasn’t so shocking when, this morning at the Dragonstone set, Ser Jorah Mormont reported for duty, ever faithful to Queen Daenerys Stormborn (well, not “

reports on the scene, in which Jorah isn’t actually arriving —He is leaving. This not only tells us Jorah at some point returns to Daenerys but that he later leaves. First, Mormont is seen talking to Tyrion as Daenerys approaches, escorted by a retinue of Dothraki, including season six’s bloodrider Qhono played by Staz Nair. The queen says farewell to her advisor, who in turn vows to his queen. You may notice Daenerys is wearing the same outfit as yesterday, but this time she is sporting a red cloak instead of a white one. So that’s it: At long last, Daenerys Targaryen dresses in her colors, black and red. Jorah’s new outfit is just as exciting, inasmuch as Jorah has a new outfit, after wearing the same yellow shirt for so many years. I’m pretty sure it was white at first!

As the scene goes on, Daenerys turns to Jon. Meanwhile, Jorah helps some men prepare the boat. Among these men you may notice Davos and none other than Gendry, which confirms what we already suspected: Once Tyrion and Davos flee King’s Landing with Robert’s bastard, they take him to Dragonstone. However, the scene does end surprisingly as Jorah, Davos, Gendry and Jon push the boat and go away together.

Has Jorah cured his greyscale already, or did he fail in his mission but returned anyway? Did Daenerys simply want to give a purpose to a doomed man, expecting this quest would be his last, or did she actually have hope he would succeed in curing his ailment? What must also be considered is the relationship between Jeor Mormont and Jon Snow, who was gifted Longclaw by the Old Bear. Will Jorah clash with Jon over the Valyrian steel sword? Could the apparent

angle of this coming season mean Jorah may eventually meet his fiery, precocious niece Lyanna, the Lady of Bear Island? What is the new quest involving King Jon, Ser Jorah, Ser Davos and Gendry?

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She is wearing a red cape!!! With a black dress!!! That’s all I wanted for Christmas 🙂

Jorah never gets to just stay by Dany’s side anymore 🙁

Can’t keep up with everything we learn each day!

Jon, Davos, Gendry and Jorah together! I have to digest this for a while, lol!

And it’s going to be difficult to discuss this without making reference to other filming spoilers but I hope everybody does their best!

I love Jorah&Dany – The Queen and Her Knight , i hope he survives

Wow, this will certainly encourage speculation.

He has longclaw Davis gendry and jorah ..so I guess people can be happy

Looking forward to jorah and lyanna mormont conversations..

We cant have arrival scene for every character .,can we now

Now that is one awesome band of misfits right there. Two bastards with royal lineage, a smuggler, and a fugitive/exile who may or may not still be turning to stone. This is the road trip I never knew I wanted until now.

I can’t keep up, so much news lately! Have these pics been seen here already? Apologies if so.

Luka, if a BRM had a fling with a Ninja and had a baby that grew up to have a fling with James Bond thus having a child which grew up to have a go with Jason Bourne, that child would be you.

Dany’s cape seems to have a reddish lining, so she’s wearing Targaryen colours!

Also, Jorah is probably cured, he lets Dany get near him and even seems to kiss her hand. There’s no way he’d do that if he wasn’t cured.

This season basically everyone meets everyone! 🙂

Cool by Law Jon is Jorah King hahaha… I know he is not change Dany for Jon but House Mormont is loyal to the Starks.. “Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is Stark”…. nice to see Jon Leaving with Jorah, Davos and Gendry… if Arya is in Winterfell … we are going to see Arya – Gendry reunion 🙂

Posting the daily mail link again for those who havent seen it

With so much apparently happening this season, I’m finding it hard to believe they’ll be able to fit it all in a shortened season!

the north is one of 7 kingdom, Which is Dany’s kingdoms so all houses under Dany by law

no one would be surprised if Daario shows up with a posy of essos flowers, then Dany shows him the boat.

It would have been interesting to see just a second more of how was the farewell between Jon and Dany to understand better their relationship. Shaking hands? A bow? A hug?

Well, I noticed that As Jon says his goodbyes to Dany, he neither kisses her, nor bows. This should alleviate some of the fears of those already condemning the show for the “rushed”, “contrived” or otherwise “forced” Ship of Jonerys. If the show is headed in that direction, and as a book reader, I hope they are (as I’ve felt since my first read of ASOIAF way before the show started has always been GRRM’s intent), I have no doubt DnD are going to handle it properly. Remember, there are still 13 hours in which to develop this relationship, 3x as long as a full length feature film. So relax, and enjoy, everybody! Thanks for keeping us entertained in the long off season, WOTW staff, you guys are incredible!

If they going to Winterfell, Arya will meet again with Gendry and Jon at the same time.

I think Dany and Jon just talked tbh. Jorah kissed her hands.

Jorah/Jon/Davos/Gendry……on a quest together….woooow…that is just not anything I would have expected.. have to process

At first I thought leaks are bs but this is so true. They’re going the North to capture a wight. Iceland filming starts in January for 6 main characters probably Jon, Jorah, Gendry, The Hound, Thoros and Beric. or Tormund. Depends on.

For the past week, I’ve woken up every single morning to awesome spoilers. I’ve gotten so spoiled by the filming in Spain that it’s going to suck when they go back to Northern Ireland and its tighter security.

I love Dany’s red cloak and Jorah’s snazzy new outfit. That dirty yellow shirt better not be under there though.

I also love that Dany has a private moment with both Jorah and Jon. I was hoping to see a goodbye handshake between Jon and Tyrion. Oh well.

Jon, Davos, Jorah, and Gendry makes for a surprising and interesting group. Seriously, who would’ve thought at the end of S6 we’d see those men together?

I wish the forums worked properly because Luka poses many questions that some of us know the answers to and I would love to discuss them further outside of this thread so as not to spoil things for others. Sigh.

Wow! Totally agree. What a road trip! I can only imagine they are headed north, but why? Has Danny agreed to help Jon maybe, again why? What about Cercei? So many questions.

If they had any kind of more physical contact I imagine it would be in private before an official goodbye in front of everyone, Dany is a very private person and doesn’t like showing her heart publicly, I Imagine Jon is similar but not to the same extent. It’s different with Jorah though, she’s known him for years and considers him family.

All this leaks with the wight looks so silly for me …… Some things maybe be true but to capture a wight to convice Cersei for an alliance aggainst WW is stupid . How can Jon trust that woman ???

I’ve already said it on the other thread, but the tone of red, they used for Dany’s cape, looks a lot like Rollo-red to me (and they are always very considerate when it comes to the symbolism of clothes)…

And also just a general thought. Season 7 might feel slightly different with all the travelling going on. We could get a lot more of those Varys type situation from S6E10 where he was in Dorne and later in the same episode he was on a ship outside Meereen. I mean Davos alone seems to be all over the place (DS, KL twice, somewhere the boat is going). I’m not complaining, mind you, just getting tired of the impending jetpack jokes already

The North is a Independent Kingdom now!!…. and if Jon is a legitimate son of Rhaegar he is the King of the Seven Kingdonm not Daenerys

Have any of the moderators looked into the issue with the forum?

The North is a Independent Kingdom now!!…. and if Jon is a legitimate son of Rhaegar he is the King of the Seven Kingdonm not Daenerys

Also, sons come before daughters in terms of succession usually, it’s one thing Cersei always complained about. Technically, Jon as the son of Rhaegar would be next in line before Dany.

Unless I’ve been playing too much Crusader Kings and Westeros has a different policy.

Clearly the most important news is that Jorah has a new outfit!!Thank all the gods lol.Also I love that Gendry is wearing the Baratheon colors.This trip is going to be fun.

I love the second picture. Emilia is helping a Dothraki guy with his costume, lol!

And I’m loving Jorah’s new outfit. No more ragged yellow shirt, hooray! (I bet Iain Glen is glad he doesn’t have to wear it anymore!)

The North isn’t Independent Kingdom Dany never give her blessings, they’re mere rebels till crown accepts them, and Rhaegars line was disinherited by Aerys whether he is legitimate or not he has no claim, King line follows through Viseyrs to Daenerys

I think he might be doing it to convince everyone in Westeros (Dany and Cersei included among those, since they’ll be fighting against each other and losing a lot of soldiers that could be used to fight against the WW).

BunBunStark: I wish the forums worked properly because Luka poses many questions that some of us know the answers to and I would love to discuss them further outside of this thread so as not to spoil things for others. Sigh.

Spoiler-tag it properly and you may talk about what you wish, as long as you do NOT link to any spoiler that is not discussed here 🙂

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Perhaps the goodbye isn’t sentimental because it is a short adventure? I would have loved to see a throwback to the goodbye atop the wall between Tyrion and Jon!

Jon is not trusting Cersei here, but he is counting on her sense of self-preservation. He thinks that once Cersei has proof of what is coming for all of them, it is in HER interest to help them, otherwise they are all dead. Only someone as near-sighted as Cersei would have failed to see this. Now Jon would have no way of knowing how stupid she really is. He would know that she is cruel, ambitious, ruthless but not necessarily how stupid she is. If it had been someone more level-headed like say Tywin, he would never have dismissed Jon after he gave him the proof of the wight. Tywin would first have ensured that he did everything to eliminate this very legitimate threat to HIM and HIS family, only then would he have reverted to his games. What I want to really know is how did Tyrion approve of this plan. He of all people would know Cersei’s true nature.

Gendry heading to the North! I would love to see an Arya and Gendry reunion; when the Brotherhood sold him to Melisandre, Arya was the only one who protested on his behalf – and he protected her so well in most of seasons two and three. Whenever I re-watch 305, when she says to him

That will be an interesting travelling group – I can’t wait for Jon and Jorah to have a heart-to-heart about Jeor! And it will be interesting for Davos and Gendry to re-connect, with everything that happened after Davos let him escape. I also want to hear Jon and Davos maybe reflect on their time at Dragonstone and Daenerys, in particular, once they are away from her.

With all these arrivals and departures happening, there must also be a lot of interiors due to be filmed/already filmed for Dragonstone. I would guess that even if we only get Jon there for two or three episodes, there will be a lot of screen time in those episodes dedicated to that location. Exciting!

In Westeros bastards are the lowest of the low so daughters come before them, it’s one of the reasons LF was not expecting Jon to have leadership over Sansa but northerners do things their own way.

The faith killed off having multiple marriages after the fire breathing dragons died out, and the last Targ who tried marrying more than one wife got exiled because of it.

Not that any of it matters who has more right anymore, because now it looks like whoever takes the throne by conquest will get it. Like Littlefinger who has no relation to anyone whose been on the throne but that’s not gonna stop him trying to get it

Figure Dany wants one of her advisors to see what’s going on up north personally. Jorah makes the most sense and Jon probably pardons him, allowing him to safely return home. I’m sure Longclaw will come up, but Jorah left it behind on purpose. It isn’t his any more.

I dont think Dany needs to be convinced of anything. She knows magic exists. She will believe in the WW. I think Jon and the others will go to North trying to guard there while Dany defeats Cersei and unites the other kingdoms. Jon knows if they want to have a chance to beat the WW they need everyone united and Dany will most likely agree when she gets to know about the WW.

So many of the costumes we have seen so far reflect the fact that winter is here, and that Daenerys’s people have arrived in a place with a much colder climate than Meereen. I am really looking forward to seeing what Sansa and the rest of the characters appearing in the North get to wear there next season! Michele Clapton’s designs are always amazing, so I can’t wait to see what she comes up with.

Still i can’t handle. You are right for Jon’s motivations that he don’t want a war between human when exists a biggest villain but how trusted can be the King’s Landing Queen?? Means lack of insight from Jon.

I read this somewhere too, that he is trying to convince both Dany and Cersei.

If leaks are true Jon and Dany will bang so prepare folks and undead dragon.

Luka Nieto: Spoiler-tag it properly and you may talk about what you wish, as long as you do NOT link to any spoiler that is not discussed here

its not gender issue, Dany was officially appointed as heir to throne and proclaimed princess of Dragonstone when Viserys was crowned king Viserys III at end of rebellion

Can someone fix forum so we can discuss leaks there and not here? Or is someone working on it?

According to leaks Jon counts on Cersei self interest,. Who wants to end up as meat for Night King’s army? It’s mainly to her to prove it. Jon knows he needs all of them.

Too bad he didn’t go on a trip to capture one to convince Ramsey and Bolton’s.

Yes. Just have to be patient. Unfortunately Oz takes care of these things and he cannot be in these mega spoiler posts at all, so you have to email us when you have problems.

I have problem with Cersie staying alive and ruling, if this leak is true it would be major fail of logic. What prevent Dany to burn Cersie and Mountain when this meeting happens. In my mind, for Dany to conquer KL should be enough to took dragons and flay couple of circles around KL and wait for Cersie army desert and people turn against her. How is she even able to supply food for every one KL without Tyrells? It`s stupidity.

This season is going to be AMAZING. Yay Jorah!! Hope he’s cured. Really looking forward to Lyanna meeting him as well.

those shi*ty leaks look to be true. For gods sakes. All I can hope is they look better than they read. Because they read like high school level fan fiction.

This seems to me like 100% a show invention because in the books

he thinks they can trust Cersei, unless Tyrion (who knows her very well) thinks they can because Cersei wouldn’t want to die. And either way, apparently Jaime still goes to the north to help (hopefully with a separate army), so the decision might end up paying off in the long run as it usually happens with Jon.

I haven’t read this, but what convinces me that

he’s also trying to convince Dany is the fact that she isn’t leaving with them. So, she likely worries and decides to go after them out of her own volition. I also read that Dany attacks the Lannister army after they finish off the Tyrell army, so maybe Jon feels like he needs to convince her to postpone her conquest even though she might believe him. You’re much more likely to do that once you have actual evidence.

As to Jorah’s greyscale… If it’s cured (and it seems so as he seems to kiss Dany’s hand), I wonder what was the point? Just to make him act a bit recklessly and to keep him away from Dany’s side at some crucial time?

Maybe there’s something taking place in early S7 that it’s important Jorah is not there?

the greyscale patient zero is Jon Connington (he gets it by saving Tyrion, the same way Jorah got it in the show). It makes him act more recklessly as he might’ve otherwise, since he might not have much time to install (f)Aegon on the throne.

I’ve got this idea, that at first everything goes pretty well for (f)Aegon and Jon Connington, people flock to them because they’re sick and tired of Lannister rule etc. etc. But then greyscale/grey plague starts spreading and people turn against (f)Aegon because of the horror, thus paving way for Dany. That would be a good reason for introducing greyscale in the books. Also, there’s Val’s extreme reaction to Shireen’s (cured) greyscale, that reinforces the idea that it might become important.

I saw this posted in the other thread and I’m wondering the same thing:

Now that Jon and Co. are off on their wight-hunting expedition, what makes Dany fly North with her dragons? She looks pretty forlorn on the beach saying goodbye to Jorah and Jon, accepting they’re off on a dangerous mission without her. So why the change of heart and the last-minute rescue? Does she later sense they’re in grave danger? Having met Jon, do her dragons sense he’s in danger and let their mother know? Does she receive a raven-gram from Eastwatch telling her they’re off beyond the wall and she decides to join in? And do her advisers really let her fly off North?

I love this dress and particularly the hairstyle …its so cute..

I read it in some of those articles people linked in previous threads about whole season leak.

Well Ramsay was small potatoes compared to Cersei and according to the spoilers they do try to take KL but after they fail he realizes that the best course of action is to not to loose time and everybody to work together.I guess even Tyrion doesn’t know how batshit crazy Cersei is lol.

Dude. Ramsay had sent him a letter where he threatened to kill him, kill Rickon, rape Sansa and kill the NW and Wildlings (the only people at the time who were willing to fight against the WW). That alone proves Jon can’t work with Ramsay and that the only way to rally people to fight the WW is to restore the Starks and take control himself. He spent the entirety of season 5 sending ravens to these people and they didn’t even bother to send recruits.

It’s quite silly how Jorah keeps leaving then returning. Especially with how dramatic and emotional they’re making his departures. Unless he at least found a cure for his greyscale, his emotional parting with Dany in S6 is a total gimmick.

I’m not at all surprised Gendry is leaving with Jon. They need some casualties up north to raise the stakes and their northerners are too precious. Besides, killing characters off seems to be their idea of tying up storylines.

There is a one apprently pretty touching scene about Longclaw and Jeor. Also, they have something to do with Dany. Looks, Jorah will be yet again friendzoned in favour of someone else.

I agree, I thought they passed on greyscale to another person not to simply cure it but to somehow harvest it and use it as a weapon against the WW otherwise in the show at least it seems pointless

To be honest, even after having watched her for six season, it’s pretty staggering that Cersei would be this stupid. Who would be thick enough to reach the conclusion that sending tens of thousands of people to their deaths would thin out her enemies after receiving a first-hand demonstration of exactly what happens to people who are killed by white walkers?

I think they gave Jorah greyscale as an excuse to keep him away from Dany. Without Jorah there, she has to rely on Tyrion as an adviser and it makes his appointment at Hand of the Queen more believable (especially since Jorah isn’t there when it happens).

Actually I think the undead dragon is a pretty cool twist.It levels the playing field and it will look good visually.

Dany looks rather sad to see them all go doesn’t she. It kind of feels like Jorah is saying a goodbye that means he intends to be gone longer than the others. It could just be his infatuation or maybe his (initial) plan is to return to Bear Island and mend things with family while the others intend to return to Dragonstone after a mission.

Maybe this is what finally convinces Jaime she ain’t shit. We’ve waited long enough!

We have no idea of being sure and we won’t know until all the episodes air to know.

It could all be true, 50% could be true, 20% could be true. It could all be out of context for all we know.

it’s not to convince Cersie but to convince Dany who (according to the Leak) does not believe in the WW

if Dany, a friggen fire-resistant dragonrider needs proof of wights/white walkers, the show has become beyond absurd.

the north is one of 7 kingdom, Which is Dany’s kingdoms so all houses under Dany by law

she isnt queen of westeroes for now… and I also dont want her to be at the end.

I find that to be the only good thing about them to be honest with you.

The rest is completely out of character, doesn’t match at all what they’ve set up and some of it sounds ridiculous. I legitimately thought it was some tumblr fool writing fan fiction when they first “leaked”. Now I feel bad I mocked the guy. Seems he was telling at least some truth. Looking more and more likely though that he was telling more than just some. Which I find almost unbelievable given how poor it sounds.

i wonder if gendry and arya’s relationship is something like lyanna and robert, if robert weren’t the man he was (whoring, drinking), things that gendry didn’t inherit from his father. thanks god!

I agree. Jon pardons Jorah on behalf of the North, and Daenerys sends him to help Jon in his diplomatic mission to make all the Northern Houses and the Wildlings unite with Daenerys (against, I suppose, both Lannisters and Others).

I was half hoping Jorah and Dany would kiss goodbye. They are certainly dress for a fancy affair.

It makes sense for jorah to go up north and scoop things out.

Just how Dany gets there? Deus ex machina,

Her hatred for tyrion is well known to everyone ..people know what she did to tyrells and others in sept of baelor . And she teams up with Euron defeating ollena and ellaria ..yara captured and killed probably ..

and now jon thinks its better to convince her of the threat because of the lives being lost ..

Iam sorry it feels really Silly ..while jon and starks reclaim their home and named king and fight their enemies and get revenge ..

But the Others are being robbed of this and not allowed because of jon again…

I still don’t think that this is how it will happen and I will wait till I see but if it happens like this I won’t like it

I know right?How can she be so dumb?Doesn’t she realize that she will have more enemies this way?And how does she plan to defeat them?And how can Jon or even Tyrion guess that she would be that delusional

I agree. I like that the Night King will turn Viserion because otherwise Dany and her 3 dragons would barely break a sweat in destroying the Army of the Dead. Not only is it tragic that Dany loses one of her children, but now we get a more evenly matched battle. I mean, holy shit, the Night King riding an undead dragon is reminiscent of the Witch-king on his Fell Beast from LOTR. Now

was frightening. I can’t wait to see something similar in GOT.

Jorah is not going to just leave Dany alone in war times to help the North. He is loyal to Dany before anyone else. That’s not in line with his character.

What do you mean how Dany gets there?On a dragon she can fly.The reason why?Who knows she might want to check out the enemy for herself.

He’s from the North though. He can help them there. Also she has Tyrion. It’s not like she’s alone.

Only those that go beyond the wall knows about walkers, whereas Dragons were roaming Westeros little over a century ago.

If Dany is a believer in the practical, meaning she has to be a witnesses to believe it, then it makes sense.

It goes against Jorah’s character to leave Dany. Look at his history, look at everything he’s done to get back in her good graces? Do you really believe he would just walk away and let her go to war? Not gonna happen.

I thought Davos would be at the Dragonpit with Brienne? When does that take place?

It just seems out of nowhere and she just left Jon behind. The one she is supposed to care about. Looking at him while he’s fighting whole horde by himself after everyone got away. Benjen is supposed to rescue him and give him horse. He’s North of the Wall for some reason and he can’t help Bran, so he might help Jon? Makes sense maybe?

But he just left her in those images lol we are not sure why but he did, amd jjst because he did it doesn’t mean he’s not returning. I assume Dany and Jon are in good terms so if Jorah can help the North he helps Dany too. You don’t have to agree with me, everyone is free to have a different opinion.

Isn’t it so surprising and strangely convenient how the dragon that supposedly gets wighted is the one named after an antagonist?

She is fire resistant. She gave birth to 3 dragons. She can ride those dragons. According to the leaks Davos tells her that Jon was murdered and resurrected from the dead. She had her House of the Undying visions which took her to the land beyond the Wall that they will be describing to her. So you have all those magical elements in front of her, but the White Walkers are a bridge too far? And in an ironic twist of fate she won’t believe in those magical beings, but will hop on the back of a….magical being and fly there to see for herself. Makes for a good action sequence. But not good writing.

I was half hoping Jorah and Dany would kiss goodbye.

It looked to me that Jorah kissed her hand. That’s something, right?

No, Davos almost told her jon was killed and rsurrected but Jon doesn’t want that to be known to others. So ehs doesn’t know. Also, dany believs in white walkers but it’s to convince Team Cersei and Euron. Jon basically appeals to their need of survival. Cersei promised after seeing wight at the dragonpit that she send her forcex but lies. That promots Jaime to finally leave her. She just wants undead army to thin her enemies and so she can then defeat them. Euron just says fuck it after asking if they can swim.

Its sad that its going to be viserion…. He is the one who doesnt leave mommy and still wanted to be careied on her shoulder and kind of lazy fellow..

Dany will be very hurt if she gies against him..

I dont think this makes a even match per se ..because drogon is still big ..

Many people aee not getting what it means it seems ..if NK is on a dragon then it means dany on Drogon..iam not sure many are wanting this..

It really, really doesn’t. There is no justification for such atrocious writing. I can’t even wrap my mind around how moronic that is.

The problem is there is no way of knowing what else is going on, except for some comings & goings that seem at least somewhat accurate. Everything else is just conjecture and running wild.

Exactly! It doesn’t make any sense. She even had visions about warriors armoured in ice and in the show she saw herself going beyond the wall. I think the leaks got this part wrong, it has to be for a different reason.

She survives fire ..encounters different magics and goes to places like HOTU and experience the magic but she will find it hard to belive this one..

Perhaps she leaves Jon behind, because he tells her to. For example, maybe he is trying to buy her enough time to successfully rescue the others. Cliche? Yes, but it’s the only way it makes sense because apparently in that same episode Jon privately swears fealty to her. And in the episode after that, they have sex.

I wish people discussing the leaks would preface their spoiler-tagged comments with something like “In the leaks,” and then do the spoiler-tagged bit. (Like I do when I’m referring to book material.)

I’ve been trying to avoid those leaks and now a lot of this thread seems to be about them. I accidentally opened a couple because I thought they would be about the other filming spoilers from this week. I guess I’d better not open any spoilers from now on.

It’s an action scene.Many details are missing.Maybe she gets the others and Jon stays behind fighting because he is Jon.Clearly they are fine with each other because they have sex the next episode lol.Also yeah it makes sense that Benjen would help.

I watched the video again and I’m not noticing any bags of dragon glass in that little boat Jon and Co board. Uh, isn’t that kinda important? Albeit, there is also another boat on the beach with what looks like Stark soldiers, so maybe the dragon glass is in there? BTW, it appears Jon has acquired more men than what he arrived with. I wonder if they’re men from the ship that’s just offshore or if Dany gave him some of her soldiers.

True. Also if he wanted to go back to Bear Island then he would’ve done so in season 2 when he was pardon. Therefore, I have presumed Dany sent him on a task.

I haven’t read the leaks so I didn’t know all that.

According to the leaks, Jaime proves to be excellent general who beats Dany so hard she gets upset and burns people. They try to talk to him but he doesn’t trust Tyrion anymore… what if they go to Cersei because they want Jaime’s help with the WW?

I’m glad that I not the only one feeling the same way… I know the almost everybody thinks the last season was the best.. but for me was different, was so predictable and sometimes didn’t make sense.

Yeah it will be sad.Remember Emilia saying it will be very emotional and not because of people dying and Sophie saying there will be some crazy dragon stuff I think they might be referring to this.And Dany is already on Drogon why would people not want that?I don’t understand.

My main concern is it that every other characters acting stupidly

After hearing how wise tyrion is .he makes two of most stupid decision if its true

Yay Jorah!! Dany’s red cape looks great too. It’s a very nice touch.

The Gendrya shipper in me is dying to know what sort of conversations Gendry and Jon will have about Arya.

Some of it sounds cool like the undead dragon, Bran and Sam putting Jon’s parentage together, Arya and Nymeria, Dany to the rescue, Jonerys slow burn and other stuff… But some of it just sounded too juvenile fan fic.

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I don’t agree that he leaves her alone while she faces war against Euron and the Lannisters. Obviously he goes somewhere, I’m simply saying that he’s not doing it while Dany vs Cersei is full blown.

I just checked them out, I think it sounds like fan fic because it was presented in point form with little to no story. I think if we summed up a lot of the show it would look like fan fiction.

Yeah I know I read the leak.He says Dany likes Jon immediately and it takes Jon some time to warm up.But they are in good terms.So maybe he tells her to save the others and she does.Maybe she is upset that Viserion died.Who knows a lot of things are missing.

You know the arguments how dany can’t lead the war against WW because she doesnt know how to fight or wield a sword …so it must be jon because he has to fight NK in a duel ..I dont think they will be happy about it.

In some of those pyramids, the Sons of the Harpy are plotting new murders even now, and I am powerless to stop them.

Viserion sensed her disquiet. The white dragon lay coiled around a pear tree, his head resting on his tail. When Dany passed his eyes came open, two pools of molten gold. His horns were gold as well, and the scales that ran down his back from head to tail. “You’re lazy,” she told him, scratching under his jaw. His scales were hot to the touch, like armor left too long in the sun. Dragons are fire made flesh. She had read that in one of the books Ser Jorah had given her as a wedding gift. “You should be hunting with your brothers. Have you and Drogon been fighting again?”

The big battle is between the living and the dead. In order to rally people it’s a given that the Starks need to be in a position of power that allows them to do it (especially since Bran and Jon’s stories have been tied up with this battle for so long). So yeah, they have to take Winterfell. Also, they’ve been struggling and suffered a lot for seasons on end. Them getting Winterfell is their first moment of revenge. Let’s not act as if the Starks have had many ‘hell yeah’ moments on the show and get to defeat their enemies for good every season.

There’s no way Dany is taking KL this season. It’s stuffed with wildfire caches and Cersei isn’t above burning it (as you have mentioned). Might as well try and get Cersei’s army to fight because it’s also in her best interest to not get attacked by WW. The only way Dany can take KL right now is if she unleashes her dragons on it and burns it (and I think at this point we both know that’s not going to happen, because many innocent people will die).

We haven’t heard anything about the Martell or Tyrell troops, we know that the naval battle will most likely be won by Euron, so there go Dany’s allies. We’re at a standstill.

We also know from her HotU vision that Dany postpones her conquest to go north. It’s been foreshadowed for years.

Well obviously we can’t know for sure until it airs but yeah until now they have been on point.This is gonna be a long year lol

She can fight the NK on a dragon. I don’t mind. I just want Jon to go on vacation somewhere warm tbh.

Well there is a third dragon too, which is riderless at the moment. The NK getting a dragon does not automatically mean Dany will be the one to take care of him and not Jon. I never understood why does it have to be one or the other. Why can’t it be possible that both of them will be equally important? All the parallels between them we have seen so far suggests equal importance for both in the story.

Tyrell troops will be beaten by Jaime according to the leaks , and Dany attack the Lannister army on their way back from the Reach, she is upset that she lost, the attack worries Tyrion and Varys e.t.c It’s all on the leaks.

The spoilers say that they go first to him and he doesn’t trust Tyrion anymore, Jaime wins the war so far that’s why they have to deal with Cersei

That’s my thoughts regarding responses to the “leak” plot points. Whether all or some are true, and it appears some are, it’s not presented in story form. To say the storyline will be fanfic or Disney by main points isn’t fair. The entire series would sound ridiculous laid out in that fashion.

Guys the forums work! If you want to see/discuss the leaks go here

Geralt of Rivia: It just seems out of nowhere and she just left Jon behind. The one she is supposed to care about. Looking at him while he’s fighting whole horde by himself after everyone got away. Benjen is supposed to rescue him and give him horse. He’s North of the Wall for some reason and he can’t help Bran, so he might help Jon? Makes sense maybe?

My guess is that Jon would tell her to save the other people first.

Benjen is beyond the Wall because he cannot pass through the Wall, he did help Bran, and he brought Bran back to the Wall. But he can’t pass through the Wall.

It could even be Bran who sends uncle Benjen to save Jon with his knowledge.

The big problem with these spoilers is that we dont really understand everything and the more detailed context.

Jon, Jorah, Gendry and Davos might simply be going to the Wall at this stage to see what is happening at the Wall.

After arriving at the Wall they might decide to go and searching for a wight, perhaps they will send a message to Dany to inform her of their plans. Dany might be worried after receiving the message and she might decide to go to the Wall quickly with her dragons.

Or again Bran could be the one who is pushing people’s actions, we simply dont know.

That is the problem with these spoilers they are more like bullet points of events, but they might not explain exactly how these bullet points occur.

The person might have a lot of information about Dany and Jon and the Spanish locations, but we simply dont know how reliable some of the other spoilers are right now.

If Jon goes to KL to convince Cersei, probably Brienne will go with him (if she offers it because of Jaime)

Jon, Davos and Brienne and Podrick and maybe Jorah will go to KL. Cersei will kill one or two ( probably Podrick and Davos or Jorah) and puts the rest into a cell so she can blackmailing the North and Dany.

Dany and the North will not accept this and go to war. At this point, Cersei thinks she can easily win the battle,but when Euron is defeated, she want to burn them all. Jaimes love for Brienne will win and he will kill Cersei and Qyburn. The Mountain will burn to death. (Before all the things we know now, I thought they went straight to KL, but maybe they meet Euron, losing the battle and flee to DS

why they want Cersei and her troops to join them, especially if Jaime is such a good commander. The Tyrells and Martells are said to have large armies too, so their loss would be huge when thinking of troops used to fight the WW.

Maybe Dany knocks him of the dragon and Jon gives him the final touch.Who knows lol.

True. And if it does end up being accurate I wouldn’t be dissapointed. The more I mull over it the more I like it.

So basically its a must for Starks to come in power unite the north and reclaim ..

Dany is as much tied to the fight WW like jon and bran and her story is also been about uniting people and leading ..

The leak says Jamie defeats tyrells and let’s olenna drink poison and dany burns randyl and his son ..

I guess its not even jon or starks I will have issues with ..but the fans who is going to cliam jon is so noble he is the only one who doesn’t want people dying and focus on the bigger picture While the others are fighting in petty battles and wasting armies..

I now you don’t like when someone portrays Jon in better light than Dany. They’re all on board with this but comparing Winterfell which was partially because of white walkers threat only on revenge. It was for revenge for Sansa and Jon trid to rescue Rickon and protect Sansa. She was going against Boltons regardless. I wonder if Dany will do what she might do, if you still gonna defend her.

My sweet bear. ❤ He looks awesome, and that left hand is fine.

It’s the natural progression of the story. There’s foreshadowing that this is what will happen. There’s been buildup. Starks will take Winterfell: “the wolves will come again”. Fans didn’t invent it. I don’t know what your problem is. Are you upset the Starks finally took Winterfell and will most likely reunite after 6 seasons? Do you want Jon to hang out at the Wall and do nothing post resurrection? Do you want Sansa running in the woods from Ramsay all season, or Bran to stay in a cave and not share his information?

Same lol, ugh, season can’t come soon enough. Damn you Watchers on the Wall! My productivity at work has dropped tremendously since last week.

Something like its jon’s fight ,he is warrior who knows how to wield the sword…no one can be considered his equal.

So do we think that they’re bringing Gendry as a smith, to forge some dragonglass weapons?

I’ve never been a Gendrya shipper but the thought of Arya finally being reunited with her family AND Gendry is giving me a warm fuzzy. Now they just need to hire Hot Pie as the head chef at Winterfell!

there is a chance that they are filming the last two seasons together??? cause there are so many spoilers for 7 episodes! a lot of traveling and a lot people coming together!

if Jorah traveling north, I hope he meet Lyanna and ask forgiveness for stained the family name

I haven’t read the leaks, only read some things about it here. But I don’t like the thing with Jaime and Dany. Jaime seems to much changed to do such things, he didn’t kill many people in the Riverlands either. Would he really choose Cersei’s side after she’s burnt the sept and their last son jumped out of a window because of that?

And Jon and co trying to capture a wight beyond the wall after he has seen how deadly the wights and white walkers can be??? There is too much risk they would die trying

Ok Dany really needs to employ a valet at this rate because that place is busier than JKF! 😂

As for Jorah, he’s obviously been cured of grayscale as his hands aren’t even covered, and I can’t see the others getting into a small boat with him if he was still infected.

I’m wondering if Mel has cured him at Dragonstone? Or perhaps the Maesters at Oldtown but I’m guessing Mel knows the cure as she’d have made enquires on how Shireen was cured. Hell- she can raise the dead so a lil bit of grayscale should be easy!

make Jon even dumber than before with the whole wight hunt. Why risk your life and the lives of your companions by going on a basically sucide mission beyond The Wall? For what? To get support from Mad Queen? She is beyond reasoning and she doesn’t have many resources to be highly beneficial in the war to come. And the stupid mission will give Night King a dragon. Good going, Jon and Dany. How is Tyrion ok with this? Or Jon’s companions? They’re reduced to being as dumb as they are.

There is no shortage of fanatics on either side. Every topic gets turned into Jon vs Dany thing, it’s boring.

Well she likes him but she still wants to be queen.And he doesn’ bend the knee.I mean he does figuratively lol.He says he will renounce the title so she can help them all.Maybe they want the contrast of him giving up his crown and at the same time it being revealed to the audience that he is the legitimate heir?

There are quite a few readers/viewers who want exactly that, it would seem. The best kind of plot progression to them is none whatsoever. One of the most eyebrow-raising comments I read on Westeros.org before it finally went off the deep end was speculation that the first thing Jon would do after being resurrected was head back to the heart tree north of the Wall to re-swear his vows. Good writing ftw.

Dany at this point does not sit the Iron Throne. If you gonna go by law, Cersei is Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, she conquered it by killing everyone who was before her. Also, logic tells you that the North having declared Jon their King also declared themselves as an independent region, no longer a part of the 7 Kingdoms. Thus, unless Jon abdicates his crown and “bends the knee” on behalf of his Kingdom or are taken over by the monarch ruling from the Red Keep, Dany has no control or say in the North or any region that still has not fallen to her. That will probably (eventually) change at some point but until it does, Jon is King of all Northerners. Granted Jorah gave up Bear Island long ago.

Welp, I guess the leak is true then 😕

Those 2 scenes are going to be placed next to each other, I am certain of it. So it will work as a set up for future complications between Jon and Dany in S8.

Makes sense, doesn’t Stannis (or was it Davos?) who say that a true ruler does whatever he must for his people. I can see Jon bending the knee in order for an alliance to be made to fight the WW…But would Dany bend to Jon as the true King if he’s revealed to be Rhaegars heir? I don’t know if she would…I hate to start another Jon vs Dany thing, but Jons proven to do things more for the people and F the consequences then Dany, who prefers to have people bend to her way or burn.

Cool by Law Jon is Jorah King hahaha… I know he is not change Dany for Jon but House Mormont is loyal to the Starks..

Yup I thought about that too, and how Jorah has felt remorse about turning on his family and his dad dying before chance to make amends, so now he might be conflicted whereby he’s always shown loyalty and is in love with Dany yet now might feel it’s his duty to stand by king Jon of the north if he is to get back in good graces with Lady Lyanna and house Mormont.

There is also a line dragons will come again ..

Its also natural progression dany takes westeros because its what she is trying to do for 6 seasons..

My point is simple south needs to be united and removed of cersei and euron ..as happened in the north..

I dont have a problem with jon in south or him being king in the north or king of westeros..

but having dany tyrion tyrells and dorne simply set aside their enemity towards cersei …and go on a stupid mission so they can convince cersei…

Basically there are lot of stupid things in the leaks like if they are trying to convince cersei and dany defeated ..then how she can burn tarly’s I don’t know..like thats horrifies tyrion and maybe start questioning his decision ..

Iam going to wait till the episode airs because I still believe some of the things will not happen .and it still happens this way I will complain at that time..

The spoilers say that Cersei says that she pregnant and she tells him as soon as she learn it so he can stay with her. According to the spoilers he doesn’t trust Tyrion anymore maybe he thinks that Dany is evil like her father. Don’t forget Jaime is the only one who lived with Targaryens and he remember it.

If Jon learns they’re family he might want to end their romantic relationship. I don’t think he would want iron throne and Dany would be happy t have someone but not sure what would she do, if she realize she’s not heir to iron throne. Apprarently Jon is and Rhaegar married Lyanna. It sounds bs but it will be proven. Not surprising to many people.

It seems to be working sporadically. I’ve tried posting two replies to Nadia with a link but when I hit ‘submit’ they just disappear.

Anyways this is the first photos we don’t have missandei …wonder why she was not there with dany when everyone is leaving ..

Which totally messes with the “dragon has three heads” prophecy 🤔

Jorah is going to try and talk Jon into bowing to Dany when they’re on that boat. We’ll probably get some nice convo between the two about Jeor Mormont and they bond a little, but right now I don’t see Jorah’s cockiness meshing very well with Jon’s diplomatic way. Might be friction at first due to jealousy/cynicism on part of Jorah.

OMG, I so agree with you! Who would have ever thought how excited this spoiler just made me. I’m ready for S7 now…how many more months;(

I tried to do summary of everything we know and nothing. First post it worked. Strange.

Well in the books she does say if Rhaegar’s child was alive she would marry him and let him rule.Who knows what will happen when they learn of Jon’s parentage.It will be a clusterfuck lol.Plus at that point they will already have feelings for each other which complicates things

Yeah, curing greyscale should be a doddle for Mel after ressurrecting a dead person! 😀

Which makes me think, maybe Mel AND Jorah both get to Dragonstone before anybody else? Dany arrives to find her loyal Jorah, now cured…

we haven’t seen Jorah arrive. Fair enough, they’re still filming for two or three more days, so we might get to see that.

another red priest cures Victarion Greyjoy’s festering and rotting hand/arm, and it seems to have some special qualities after that. Tinfoil: Maybe Jorah’s cured “stone arm” could have some special power!

Yeah, and I agree, there seems to be quite a gathering of characters on Dragonstone in S7. I think filming spoilers have confirmed

Dany, Missandei, Greyworm (+ a couple of Unsullied in their fetching new jumpers), several Dothraki, Tyrion, Varys, Jon, Davos, some northern guards, Gendry, Theon and some Ironborn and Jorah! When was the last time we saw such a concentration of characters? Probably S1 first episodes in Winterfell and then later in King’s Landing.

We only know he was in Belfast twice. I suspect we will get kick-ass effects to show his healing. Anyway, it must have been an indoor scene. I bet on Oldtown.

This is all very confusing. I don’t think these pictures reveal even half of the real story.

I mean, Gendry being brought to Dragonstone and then heading up north with Jon? How does that work? What role is he meant to play up north?

Could Jorah be heading north as commander of a section of Daenerys’ army to help reinforce the North as part of their alliance? Given that he is a Northerner, perhaps his presence would reassure the North that they are not an invading force?

And, obviously, somebody who is familiar with the North would be best leading Daenerys’ forces if they ever went up there.

But in the books Jaime liked Rhaegar. He only had a problem with Aerys because he was going to burn the city. And now Cersei starts burning things… He must realise this leads to nowhere.

When would Cersei have gotten pregnant by the way? It has been eternity since they had sex together.

Going by Jon’s history of getting promotions and titles without wanting them, this would just be a continuation of it lol. If they are going to reveal that he is the legitimate heir, it has to serve the plot in some way, so it will become important when it is made public.And bring complications between these two. So yeah, finding out they are related after having had sex, plus the question of claim will make things difficult for Jon and Dany in S8 I guess. Having said that , I definitely wouldn’t mind if Jon said fuck it, I don’t want anything to do with the Iron Throne. All I want is for him to live 🙂 .

If Cersie still seat on Iron Throne at the end of season I will stop watching show. It’s beyond stupid.

And apparently they do all this to prove to Dany the threat is real because she doesn’t quite believe them? That pisses me off tbh because we know, if the spoilers are true about that then I would guess they are also true about who dies on the mission. We’re going to lose some good characters because of Daenerys stubborness 🙁

I just read that its rather Cercei they need to go capture a wight for..when do they meet with her if they are still on DS when leaving for the mission?

But makes sense as Emilia said it will be emotional and not because of people dying, cool things with dragons which was mentioned thanks to Sophie. It would be cool twist and actually make it interesting because if he can do that, my word what else he can.

I don’t know maybe they continued after the kissing just before he left for Riverlands and we didn’t get to see. Maybe Cersei is just fat from drinking like the books and says she is.

The spoilers say he doesn’t trust Tyrion. Who knows the reasons? Maybe because he killed their father behind his back,maybe because of Dany… we will see

There has to be something sketchy going on with the leak, I refuse to believe all of it.

How is it possible the entire season would leak so many months prior? It hasn’t happened before. Most of the spoilers sound so bad, I’m hoping there’re way more to them or they’re somewhat different than described

No, Cersei is the one to not believe it. Dany is on board eventually but Jon realize Cersei even as lunatic when will see proof, she might be willing to help. This is why they’re going Beyond the Wall. Jon is essentially trying to bring everyone he can. Even including Cersei. Every men is helpful to them.

She and Jaime had sex right before he went off to deal with Riverrun. But is that too long ago to make still pregnant in S7?

Wonder when will he realise who he is sleeping with.

Dany will be brought down and deemed as unworthy because she acts in impulse and kills tarlys …so tyrion and varys decide to back jon because he does not act on impulse and sees the bigger picture and cares for the people.

She is not Queen of Westeros until she conquers it. As of this point she has not, and does not sit the Iron throne, so just why would the north need her blessing with what goes on in their affairs??

Reading comments on Dany’s outfit has led me to look more closely at those of other characters. The design of Jon’s clothing (best seen in an Oct 25 post (“two key characters in battlement…”)) is very similar to that of Arya (Oct 11 (“another cast member..”)). This cannot be a coincidence. Are we going to see another meeting we have all been waiting for?

Yes she does ..thanks for bringing this up..she is perfectly OK with stepping down…even in meereen she let hizdar take over..

What she yearns most is for the family not the throne like many claim..

If she learns about Jon’s parentage she will be OK with him being take charge ..she will act like how alyssane and visenya did

Jorah MUST be cured! 🙂 There is no way he would get that close to Daeny or the others if there was a chance it could be spread.

If you also read it fully she is the one who saves them all..

Did season 8 also leak?Just kidding but no honestly I doubt it will go that way.Maybe it will be some emotional conflict for Jon and Dany

Could Jorah be heading north as commander of a section of Daenerys’ army to help reinforce the North as part of their alliance? Given that he is a Northerner, perhaps his presence would reassure the North that they are not an invading force?

And, obviously, somebody who is familiar with the North would be best leading Daenerys’ forces if they ever went up there.

And would cured Jorah leave Dany AGAIN, unless she commands it and gives him something meaningful to do?

The only fly in the ointment is that Jorah is a disgraced exile. But if Jon as KitN pardons him… But

not reinstate him as Lord of Bear Island, I want his cousin Lady Lyanna Mormont to keep her position! 😀

Despite a royal pardon from Jon, some northern lords might be wary of Jorah, but not as much as some “foreigner”. Though, some northern lords might be wary of

southern alliance, it’s not sure they fully believe the WW threat. And with LF possibly in the North during Jon’s absence, whispering in suitable ears…

It’s beyond me way Dany wouldn’t just burn Cersie, if they met in dragon pit.

I’ve been calling him Joronningtarion for awhile, hoping that’d be the case. 😉

Can we stop with this Dany is not Queen of anything ..

She has dragonstone , Reach ,Dorne and we don’t want to count her dothraki or unsullied or stormlands which is up for taking

Remind me what did stannis have ..and yet he was considered KIng was he not ..

If she is not Queen then I wonder why jon goes and asks her for assistance..

If I am not mistaken that guy Emilia was helping is Staz Nair? He seems to be head of her Queensguard walking just behind her, face of Dothraki.

It would be cool twist and actually make it interesting because if he can do that, my word what else he can.

Well, one could hope he can bring back quality writing.

No but those bits about how she must be reminded that innocent people will die and she doesnt listen to advise and acts on impulse and tyrion and varys horrified and doubting is all there in this leaks itself ..maybe they are planting seeds for next season ..

Its opposite to me . Cersei have literally everyone of the cast in the same place and she didn’t think of burning them alive at dragonpit..

Filming will start as soon as next week in Italica. If anyone in

is spotted near that set it will be last nail in the coffin I suppose.

Bringing a wight south of The Wall all the way to King’s Landing introduces two major plotholes. Wights like White Walkers cannot pass The Wall (only dead bodies who then turn into wights south of The Wall) and Thorne brought the wight’s hand to King’s Landing. It was undead, moving and stuff, but by the time he reached KL it had rotten and was dead, just bone and some gross things leaking out were left. The first plothole can be avoided by having a wight brought around The Wall by ship. But the second plothole, I see no way out. It’s a continuity error.

Lol no way it happens like that. My guess right now is that one of them dies and the other one rules. I would be happy to be wrong about that. My ideal ending would probably be Dany on the IT and Jon somewhere in the North, where he truly belongs, with the surviving members of his family, whether as KitN or as a Lord of some keep.

I agree that having Dany burn the Tarlys for not kneeling is a disservice to her character. The Dany we have seen so far would never do that. When has she ever burnt someone who has not done some serious wrong? And if she does burn someone for not kneeling, how is she any different from Stannis? I really hope this part is not true.

And further, apparently this act worries Tyrion and Varys, but Jon is A-okay with it and continues to cast admiring looks at her, the same Jon who mercy killed Mance Raydar because he could not see him being burnt alive. All this seemed BS to me when I read it. Let’s see how it turns out.

And they will. Just be patient like us mortals who have been waiting for the Starks to reunite. To conquer the kingdom, she’ll have to help save it.

We’ve been told the war for the dawn won’t be a straightforward and simple good vs. evil fight.

‘behold, the terrible beast!!!!!!’ *dramatically uncovers cage with wight, crowd gasps and clutches pearls* Obviously I’m not a writer (thank the lord), but it just seems very tacky and weird, you know?

Lol I guess Gendry will be rowing to the big ship. Costumes are amazing. I am guessing that while Jorah was on his quest to cure greyscale, he discovered something that could be of importance in the WW battle. Dany had already said she needed him, but it seems he is needed more in the North….IF that is where they are going. While I think he owes it to his father to protect the ancestral home, his allegiance is with his Queen so wherever they are headed I believe it is by her request. Thanks for this great post!

Dany on the throne is to cliche and predictable and I dont particularly like her and find her not the best ruler, she is a good conquerer, so. The best way would be that the throne is destroyed in the end.

Is this the special effects for wolves or could be for dragons too

Cersei hates Tyrion. Cersei doesn’t give a damn about Westeros. She wouldn’t stop a war she’s winning, in order to save it.

However, she started the war at a disadvantage vs Dany. Cersei might agree to an armistice not because she wants to save people, but because she wants to delay her inevitable defeat. She will then drink and laugh as Others take down her enemies.

Dany, being an idealized figure, will of course do the right thing, and stop a war she should be winning.

I disagree that things are settled for the Starks. Littlefinger will use the fact that Sansa doesn’t trust Jon. Bran will probably bring the Walkers past the Wall. Arya will probably continue to kill the people on her list in increasingly disturbing ways. Jon will probably continue making the the same kinds of mistakes that lost him the Battle of the Bastards. I think a Stark will end up in control of Winterfell (assuming it’s standing) at the end of the show. How that happens I can’t predict as the situation in the North, and the situation with the Starks, is really, really volatile.

That dany and drogon will die crashing the heart of winter as an act of sacrifice to end the fight And jon will become king .. But I still think there is a chance that both of them will survive ..

Is it only me or Dany looks worried? Dangerous mission maybe but it seems to me she’s kinda looking at Jon as he’s walking towards boat?

The ease with which these set leaks are occurring makes me suspicious: I have this feeling that what we are watching unfold on the beach is one of the final scenes of the season… Leaking the finale with no context whatsoever or knowledge of its lead up would be quite the red herring.

So, according to Sue, Davos and Tyrion head to King’s Landing in the 5th episodes, which means that this departure most likely happens in the 6th episode.

So, if this group leaves Dragonstone in episode 6, do they get to Eastwatch by the end of episode 6? Or at the beginning of episode 7? And when does the parley take place? Because Jon needs to return South with the Wight in order to show it off at the Dragonpit.

According to the leaks these are the things that happen in episode 6. They arrival in Eastwatch, they get in trouble with the NK and Wights, Dany showing up to rescue them out of nowhere (because she stays behind as we see in the photos), She helicopters everyone but Jon out of there, Jon fights the Night’s King, and gets rescued by Benjen and his horse, Dany and Jon then traveling South with a Wights, showing it off at the Dragonpt and then sail North, all happen in the same episode? Or even in an episode and a half (if the Dragonpit group leaves early episode 6 and arrives by mid episode 6 to Eastwatch). Also, when is King’s Landing going kaboom, because that has been foreshadow 3 times.

Ah, and when is the suppose ambush supposed to take place? I’m curious because it seems Dany will be at Dragonston with Jon from Episode 3 through 6. So, while Jon and the team head to Easwatch, Dany, Tyrion and their army head to The Reach to confront Jaime for having beaten her allies. And then after that she gets spidy sense and flues to the North to rescue the guys? All within the same episode or two.

Although the outdoor leaks regarding Dragonstone appear to be correct, there are many contradictions and events that have our characters act out of characters and thin information about all other storylines most of which take place indoors.

I’ve read and heard similar things as well for years. Glad they were proven wrong.

Nah they just want to make the story more dramatic.After she sees the WW she will chill out.She is one of the heroes of the story

Yes I’m hoping that part is false as well

Unless we get more context. Like for example, they (House Tarly) played a part in bringing down Olenna. Something along those lines would make more sense to me (Boltonesque treachery). And it could still worry Tyrion and Varys just by the mere fact that burning to death is a bad way to go, instead of just by sword I guess. Like if it’s true, why didn’t Dany burn Jon when he refused to bend the knee. No there has to be something we’re missing, assuming that part is true

Benjen is beyond the Wall because he cannot pass through the Wall, he did help Bran, and he brought Bran back to the Wall. But he can’t pass through the Wall.

I really like the idea that Bran, as the new 3 Eyed Raven, sends Benjen to rescue Jon, just like the old 3ER sent Benjen to rescue Bran.

No the ambush occurs before ep 5.Jon stays back on Dragonstone and Dany goes to engage the Lannister forces while they are coming back from defeating the Tyrells

The leaks don’t claim to reveal everything. This is key. There are many twists and turns yet to be revealed. This could be one of them.

The thing is that we literally have no context for any of that.

There are thousands of reasons why Dany’s execution of the Tyrells may be legitimate (going by the moral standards of Westerosi society, of course.) It’s not just that they didn’t kneel. They may, for example, betray the Great House they were sworned to, the Tyrells, and help the Lannisters sack Highgarden. Or something else entirely. We just don’t know.

Maybe, losing one of dragon is payment truly for her to have a child. Basically, they’ll bang. Dany might be pregnant, then find out they’re related. Dany will have a child, is just to much things leading to it.

We can’t wait like we did for starks because starks are a pack ( there was 4 of them )while dany is Last Dragon ( only member left) Now is the time because she may never even come out alive from the war..

I find it kind of odd that so many people are trusting these leaks. A lot of posters are already complaining that this season is going to suck, be fan-fiction, etc. Did we not learn anything last year when there was season-long speculation about who was on those burning Bolton crosses and it turned out to be no one? There are plenty of other examples. Just look at youtube, reddit, and many other sites that are filled with completely wrong speculation and theories. That should at the very least tell you to be skeptical about what you hear over the internet. I’m not saying they have to be incorrect either, but it might be wise not to get too attached to the leaks out there until they can be confirmed.

It’s the natural progression of the story. There’s foreshadowing that this is what will happen. There’s been buildup. Starks will take Winterfell: “the wolves will come again”. Fans didn’t invent it. I don’t know what your problem is. Are you upset the Starks finally took Winterfell and will most likely reunite after 6 seasons? Do you want Jon to hang out at the Wall and do nothing post resurrection? Do you want Sansa running in the woods from Ramsay all season, or Bran to stay in a cave and not share his information?

Everyone forgets that George RR Martin wanted his last book about ASOIAF to have the title ” A time for wolves ” Something that his publicers didn’t want because was too obvious for a title ….. Wolves will play a major part in the end ….. We like it or not

Um I don’t know about the pregnancy thing.Not to be one of those people but is there even time for it?Maybe after the apocalypse if they win or he dies and she discovers she is pregnant?Who the fuck knows what GRRM is thinking lol.

I can’t wait to see Aryan and Gendry’s reunion, also a reunion with Arya and nymeria. OH MY HEART.

It looks like Dany will have a very emotional moment with both Jon and Jorah in those photos. Poor Jorah will never leave the friendzone lol

Night King will have a dragon to destroy The Wall with and do all other kinds of evil things. She brought dragons with her. Her dragons, her responsibility

You are not mistaken. Speaking for the women out here, if you’ve seen what Staz Nair looks like out of costume, I don’t blame Emilia one tiny bit for giving him some assistance. 😉

First of all, sorry for imagining bad things about Dany based on blurry video. Once more I have to remind myself not to rush with interpretations, until more reliable information/clearer pictures become available. I hope Dany’s fans will be happy with my apologies.

Now to the topic. IMO, the filmed departure scene will be Ep 6, maybe even its closing sequence. We know that Tyrion’s suicide mission to KL with an unexpected side affect of Davos bringing Gendry in to the game will be in Ep5. Hence, Ep 6 will be dedicated to Team-Dragonstone working out a new plan and starting its implementation. IMO Jorah’s role will be pivotal: he might bring some key information or item from Old Town, that will facilitate that plan. One way or another, that’s exactly what we see here: implementation of the plan, and Jon is leading the mission. I bet this team involving some of the best swordsmen of Westeros and some legends of the Flee Bottom is going to KL to provoke a public uprising and that we will see all of them in the Dragonpit. The King is going for his kingdom; the Queen will be securing air coverage I suppose.

As for the finale it should pack to basic sequences: KL culminating in the Dragonpit and leading to the Cersei’s downfall and the North (Winterfell/Castle Balck) leading to the collapse of the Wall and WW invasion. One way or another, there is no time

for any encounter with the wights in the North and then coming back to KL

taking into account that Davos’ involvement in the Dragonpit sequence has been confirmed earlier.

Yeah, she can give a birth after fight for dawn. I think it might really go like Rhaegar and Lyanna. Jon like Rhaegar killed in the battle, Dany in childbirth mirroring Lyanna. Their kid is going to be raised by uncle Tyrion giving hope aka A Dream of Spring. If George likes history. Dany will probably have a child.

Yes it maybe number of reasons they may have betrayed tyrells and cersei would have said to them she will make them replace tyrells. Dany killing tarly’s in itself is not a problem but tyrion and varys horrified over it and doubting her is the main problem in this scene

Maybe she fancïes him. 😉 It was when camera weren’t rolling, just them standing outside of everyone. Good looking fella.

I just can’t imagine them have any kind of peaceful negotiations, especially on Cersie turf.

Well, Stannis wasn’t considered the king by many. In fact, by nobody but Stannis supporters. And Ned, in S1. I mean in the showverse (and bookverse), the fandom is a different matter entirely. 😉

We watchers/readers know Dany has a legitimate claim to the Iron Throne (notwithstanding the Targ rule that females cannot inherit; the rest of the Seven Kingdoms seem to think females

inherit if there’s no legitimate direct male line male heir) but as the situation now stands in showverse, it’s not hers until she overthrows the present monach (Cersei).

all know Cersei has no legitimate claim whatsover, she plonked her arse on the Iron Throne by a coup, by killing all other powerful people in KL. How does that saying go? Possession is nine tenths of having/owning something? Right now Cersei possesses the Iron Throne – though it’s unsure what exactly she’s queen of – so Dany has to overthrow her. She can’t hold the Iron Throne unless she actually holds it. Unless the Iron Throne as the symbol of the power of the King of the Andals, the First Men and the Rhoynar, etc., you know how it goes, fill it in as Robert said to Ned, isn’t important. Maybe it isn’t.

Dany was willing to grant independence to the Iron Islands for support, even said she’d be willing to consider it for other parts of the Seven Kingdoms. (I’m not sure if that’s wise for Dany or the North, but that’s another debate.)

I think it was important that Jon was acclaimed KitN in 610. That means he’s not just some bastard who helped to take back WF but a fellow monarch, who can come on a diplomatic mission with some gravitas. That puts Jon and Dany in an equal footing, so to speak.

the rest of Westeros from an existential threat, Dany wants to win back her kingdom. But unless she helps Jon, her victory in winning the IT from mad queen Cersei would be a hollow and futile one, because she’d soon be queen of an icy wasteland of annihilated and wighted people (and probably dead herself, unless she flees to the Summer Isles or somewhere… Hm, maybe Naath, with Missandei…)

The title was never about starks or their wolves but about the hour of wolf in the night. .

Anyone who reads the story must know starks dany and tyrion will have a part to play because they are the protagonists of the story and their coming of age story… You don’t need a Title of book to know that ..

So when we will actually blame someone who come up with this stupid idea in the first place or someone who is so brilliant is ok with this stupid plan .

It’s not a stupid idea.It makes sense on paper.Also we don’t really know the reasoning in full.But I agree that Dany is not to blame.

Anyone who reads the story must know starks dany and tyrion will have a part to play because they are the protagonists of the story and their coming of age story… You don’t need a Title of book to know that ..

Actually Hour of Wolf in ASOIF is the government of Kings Landing by Cregan Stark in the end of dance of dragons…..

They have tagged Jon Snow but I can’t see Kit. Or Emilia.

He came up with this plan because no one believes him, apparently. I get that you need to defend Dany, but you don’t need to keep attacking Jon to do that.

I was speaking about the fandom mostly because we know people of westeros consider dany as rightful heir ..

I dont think targs when making that law knew that their entire legacy will depend on the hands of a girl who is last of their house..

Or she can remove cersei unite south as one and fight the war.. She will put aside her ambition to save the realm ..

But will cersei let them fight WW peacefully… She will be causing problems..

Rightnow i guess it may happen something like dany gives up the fight against cersei and fights WW …

Cersei selfishly wanting to cause a problem somehow end up dying and once the war is over dany is elected as the queen because of her act in the war..

I was going only by what the leaks said. The show might well give a proper justification for the act.

Dragons are not magical to the Targaryens. Dragons are their heritage. Dragons existed among the people, they were somewhat tamed. White Walkers have not been seen in thousands of years, anyone who saw them last has been lone gone for generations, except for the children of the forest and the children of the forest are also mythical to the humans of Westeros. Dragons are part of factual history, White Walkers exist in old wives tales and such.

Thank you! I was waiting for someone to say this! It doesn’t make any sense for her to be around for too long… none! The only reason to keep that character is to keep the actress and that seems really silly to me.

The leaks lack context for everything. We should take that into account when judging the story points they reveal. Most of the books and the show would sound dumb if story points were described with no backstory, context or narrative through-line.

She has dragonstone , Reach ,Dorne and we don’t want to count her dothraki or unsullied or stormlands which is up for taking

Remind me what did stannis have ..and yet he was considered KIng was henot ..

If she is not Queen then I wonder why jongoes and asks her for assistance..

Alright, mate. Geez… She is Queen of the seven kingdoms, she just haven’t reach the iron throne yet. She surely will by the end of the show/books, though. She will also defeat the night king, probably all by herself (I mean… dragons, right? who can beat them?). And everything will be beautiful. Jon is a loser, good for nothing lad. Unworthy of the Dragon Queen time. The starks? meh… also suck big time. /s

I swear, some of the dany stans here are just…

Don’t bother with a super reply attack, I’m exiting the comment section because it’s just pointless. This has become a Dany x Jon thing and it’s just really tiring and boring.

Has anyone else seen this video? What do you see in it? I only see Jorah and Dany talking and then Jon, Davos and Tyrion arriving:

yes! The youtube channel “SmokeScreen” had that same prediction not too long ago. That Dany’s dragons alone could not destroy the army of the dead, they need something else. That would make sense why greyscale is so important, and I mean they def. had it on the other side of the wall because Gilly’s sisters got it. So maybe they’re sending Jorah to spread the disease to them? I don’t know HOW it would slow them down but who knows :/

Well iam attacking tyrion as well..and I might as well blame those who are OK with this plan and go along with him..

The topic was about the plan so i bringing him along since he is the one who comes up with this plan.

Its stupid because of the person who they are trying to convince..

Tyrion and sansa should know cersei very well shouldn’t they ..

I got a theory regarding the leaks [ spoiler ] What if Jon, Gendry, Davos and Jorah go to the wall just because they come to know about the arrival of Bran at the wall. Bran decides not to cross the wall realizing that he may break the magic or whatever that is holding the Walkers. Jon goes to meet him up and meets the BWB too. Then maybe due to a possible attack on East watch they go to a fight. And Bran alerts Benjen and maybe even Danaerys in advance through some magic and they both arrive as saviours. This may happen over a couple of episodes. Anyhow the spoilers seem disappointing. [/ spoiler ]

The north isn’t her responsibility. I don’t see why she would go. I get her wanting to help but leaving while Cersei is still in power doesnt seem right. And it appears jon and Jorah are departing ep. 6. One episode isn’t enough time to do what the spoiler are saying Dany does.

And if the Cersei thing is true then these characters are high on stupidity.

It’s the same scene you have up there in article. Just more blurry and from a different angle. In article is clearer version.

And I talk about forces both side have, if we took in consideration overall story arc, prophecy, visions and Cersie stupidity it go beyond silly for her to be alive.

I mean even Cersei should be able to get that the ice zombies are a threat to them all and she has absolutely no way to fight them.They are appealing to her self-interest.I don’t think even Tyrion knows Cersei is that stupid lol.

Why are you still discussing the leak here? Haven’t you read the posts telling you not to do this?

If she [Dany] is not Queen then I wonder why jongoes and asks her for assistance..

Maybe because he sees her as a fellow “rebel” ally against Cersei’s rule?

-breathing air force would be obvious to Jon – only being burned or eaten to the bone seem to kill wights.

make Dany inderstand this. I hope it goes well. In the filming spoilers,

they seem to be on amicable terms, even having some one-on-one convo without guards or advisors.

I don’t know about any Jon/Dany “romance”. Maybe D&D are laying the groundwork for it to come to frution in S8? Before one or the other tragically and heroically dies? (I’m leaning on Jon doing the ultimate sacrafice in the Heart of Winter and Dany left to heal the kingdom(s) and bring forth a better world – no easy task!)

The leaks don’t claim to reveal everything. This is key. There are many twists and turns yet to be revealed. This could be one of them.

For this reason i wrote “According ” . I desperately want this union .

LOL If you even bothered to read what I wrote then you could have said some of whining ..

I very carefully said that she has the support of three kingdoms reach,dorne ,dragonstone and part of iron islands

So saying she is Queen of nothing is stupid. .since jon as you know is king based on the support of north and vale and possibly riverrun Which leaves cersei with crownlands and westernlands

And I even used example of stannis who controlled less than dany does ..but still considered as a king

If something I said is false in my post then bring up that otherwise stop with your attack on dany fans while you are doing the same

It is so blurry it is almost impossible to see the boat (if you don’t know it’s a boat there on the left). Only people’s movements help recognize the scene!

What if Dany decides to not attack KL and turn her eyes to the North like in hotu vision? That would match leaks and Davos is presented at dragonpit, means Jon must be there too.

Agreed, there are too many people against her. Varys/Olenna/Tyrion are among the smartest people and they’re advising Dany. The Tyrells and Martells provided Dany with ships, they’re not going to want to bring the Lannisters into the fold. They want to destroy Cersei and because she alienated herself like that her people will probably starve without the food from the Reach. Dany’s going to approach it like she did in Meeren, she’s saving the people of KL from an evil ruler.

Joarh’s new costume looks awesome! What an unexpected grouping! Jorah, Davos, Jon and Gendry heading off on a boat from DS while Daenerys and Tyrion watch them leave! This must be at least the end of Ep. 5 or ep. 6. Can’t be earlier than that. DS will be a major hub of activity next season, for which, I am very, very, very happy!

If Cersie still seat on Iron Throne at the end of season I will stop watching show. It’s beyond stupid.

If Cersei is still BREATHING at the end of the season, I’ll be really disappointed. That crazy person has outlived her entertainment value. With 13 episodes left, the two most important endgame things have to established quickly. Defeating the WWs, and bringing peace, prosperity, security to Westeros (for me, preferably by getting rid of the feudal system).

But see nobody is calling a rebel or king of nothing ..he is king in the north . Likewise dany is queen of south with dorne.,reach and dragonstone .so she is not queen of anything as some suggest is wrong which was what I was arguing against ..

Yes she would understand the Situation and danger ..even though if she had doubts at first she will come to believe him..

I believe it will be opposite ..there is too much foreshadowing of jon as king ..so I think jon will be the one who survives..

I would like both of them to survive and take up that job

I do wonder how the prophecy of valonqor and YmBQ will come to play in this sirutaion ..

What are you taking about. Have you not read any of the comments. Everyone is discussing them.

I think for Dany, to take KL, would be enough to took dragons and fly around KL couple of time and then wait for soldiers to deserts and smallfolk to rebel.

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