My problem with her was she never once questions about why was she raised as an orphan and rather than worry about her parents, and being away from them for so long, she cries over someone she met for few hours. Your whole life has been turned upside down - you no longer a simple peasant girl but a royal princess, and on top of it you are cursed. How can you cry about a man you just met and forget about your life. Too submissive for me

^ Personally, I think she was crying over the shock from everything in that scene, and that it was just set off by losing the first guy she really liked/first person she knew besides her "aunts". I think she has more than enough reason to cry in that scene!

none of these. and I don't think she's dependent at all. she wants to be MORE independent. I can't think of anything I personally dislike, but if you needed some extra flaws to list, "awkward", "forgetful", "too emotional", etc.

Hmmm, I don't think day dreaming is bad and she does want more independence. The other two though...I don't like weak female characters who just go with what others tell them and don't do anything but cry when they don't like something. She had reason to cry but she also had reason to do something, which she didn't and she just ended up doing very little in the whole film and she's pretty much saved by the fairies and Philip and does nothing to change her situation, I'd be so annoyed with a person like this in real life, have some backbone Aurora. It's o.k. to be sensitive and shy, that's fine, but at least voice your opinions and don't try to be so proper and perfect all the time. If you don't like something, say it. I like Aurora but her behavior seems kind of weak to me, I much prefer the Aurora in Maleficent, she actually gets mad and makes a decision for herself to not speak to Maleficent but what does original Aurora do? Cry and go along with everything. Obedience is admirable but please, make some decisions for yourself. I don't mind her being emotional just that she doesn't do much else.

Again none of them really

None, really.

I pick None of these. She is not submissive, she is dutiful. She's not passive, she's accepting and adaptable. Who in the world on this planet is "independent"? Nearly no one. It is rare that anyone is living out isolated alone from other people so unless they are doing that, they are dependent on MANY people. Day dreaming is not a flaw and I fail to see how it could be on it's own. I honestly cant think of a single flaw for her. I see her as a perfect role model and perfect princess.

^ Most people that I know are independent because they can do things for themselves and make their own decisions without needing anyone to make them for them, unlike Aurora. Being independent doesn't mean that you have no connections to anyone and that you never need help, it means you aren't always relying on someone else for everything, I think almost everyone I know and have seen or heard of is independent actually. I see perfect as being unrealistic, too idealized, and therefore not the best role model because no girl will ever live up to her and if they do most people would not consider them perfect, they'd consider them weak because they'd never make decisions for themselves, solve their own problems, or speak up for anything.

^They're actually not independent because they don't live out in nature, hunting for their own food and building their own shelter with their own bare hands. Even if someone asks you to do something, it is still your choice and your decision to make. Taking advice from other people or being obedient of the law doesn't make you dependent, it makes you a responsible member of society. Everyone relies on someone else for everything. We rely on farmers to grow our food, we rely on truckers to drive the food to the market, we rely on everyone who works at the market to be open and closely available, we rely on mechanics for our car to get us to the store, etc. I think the way the term "Independent" is being applied here is completely harmful to society because it makes people forget that we all rely on each other and none of us is independent. If we respect each other then we don't just impulsively make decisions to satiate our ego that we are always right, we show the wisdom and maturity to make sure it is right before acting on it. Perfect isn't supposed to be attainable because we should always try to keep improving ourselves. The point of striving for perfection is not to make the impossible happen but for everyone to always strive for improvement. I don't understand why you think your perception of Aurora's personality has anything to do with what "most people" will think. Most people seem to idolize women like Aurora in real life, for example: Audrey Hepburn or Mother Teresa. In society, most people admire the women and men who strive for perfection; We don't admire people who think they're perfect and are never willing to work on themselves or take accountability for their own faults/mistakes. Recognizing that you are not perfect but trying to attain it makes a great role model and I disagree with you 100%. I have always looked up to the women in society who are symbolic of virtues and morals so I really have no idea where you are coming from with this idea that a good woman would "not be the best role model". These women inspire me to apologize when I am wrong and try to be more understanding of people with opposite opinions than mine. Do you really think I should not aspire for that? I would never put up a woman who never wants to better herself as a role model. Also just because you personally consider Aurora to be "weak" doesn't mean that most people do too. I consider her to be one of the strongest princesses in the entire line up. What you describe sounds more like impulsive and outspoken not strong.

to add to the point of achieving perfection vs. improving: yes, people want themselves to improve and so whoever's connected to you also wants you to improve But some people are never happy with improvement coz in their eyes, it not yet perfect. Just like Elinor says to Merida, "in all , a princess should be just.... perfect" The level of improvement in her eyes has gone so high, her expectations are so high that it almost tries to belittle the other person's efforts because its never enough. No matter what you do, how hard you try, its never enough for some people. That's the wrong idea of improvement: called Perfection. Yes, the ideal way to look at Perfection is to improve, but the question "how much is enough" is so subjective.

^Of course a person can go too far in any direction, that's why balance is the key to life. I am not talking about others' expectations of you to be perfect, I am talking about one's self-expectations to keep improving. It doesn't matter what other people are telling you, especially if you don't listen. I am talking about people who want to improve themselves because they care about becoming better people. I don't believe you should ever reach a point of "enough". I believe you should always strive to improve yourself; That is how you keep learning and maturing. I never said anything about improve yourself to someone else's specific standards so I don't know why you're bringing that up or how that is relevant?

^ When I say that people are independent I mean that they have connections with others, which is natural, but that they can make decisions for themselves that will help them improve and move closer to their goals. I have met people who always rely on someone else to make their decisions, they are not independent but I know many other people who make there own decisions and don't need to constantly asking others to make their decisions or for approval.

Obviously our society is made up of millions of people who are connected and we do rely on others but in out personal, daily lives we can be independent in that we can make choices for ourselves. Taking advice and obeying the law is not bad obviously, I'm not saying that people have to be criminals and completely self-sufficient. It is your choice and decision to do what others ask, true, but if your like Aurora you will go along with everything that others will tell you even if you don't like it.

I don't think saying that someone is independence is harmful to society, even in college teachers will point out how getting an education helps you become more independent. My perception goes with what most people would think because everyone that I've ever asked and so many people online think that Aurora is not a very proactive character.

I love Audrey Hepburn and Mother Teresa was wonderful and girls should idolize them, not Miley Cyrus or some other women. I'm just saying that a character or person doesn't have to be super submissive in order to be seen as strong or a good role model. I never said that good women shouldn't be role models, of course they should but I'm just saying that those are real people so kids understand that they have flaws too they just work to better themselves but these types of characters are already seemingly perfect so you don't see much growth and development from them so in that respect they are not as realistic but that doesn't mean that they are good role models but i just think some of the other princesses are better role models and more interesting but we are entitled to like different character and traits, although I do like Aurora, she was once my favorite.

You should definitely aspire to that, I think you're not fully understanding what I've said before, sorry if I didn't choose the right words or if I didn't express myself that well. I don't see a lot of strength to Aurora's character compared to the other princesses but I do think she has some great traits. I don't think impulsiveness is great but it's not always horrible either and being outspoken is not bad, you seem pretty outspoken and I like that, you stand for your beliefs and you are good at defending yourself, my big problem with Aurora is that she never does that. I actually think we are more similar than it seems. I don't consider her the weakest character ever or anything but just not at the same level as the rest and I know that many people agree with me because I seen that in person and online, many people complain that she doesn't do much for herself but I actually defend her a lot because she isn't as bad as some people say. Actually I've met many people who hate her for being weak but I've defended her by telling them about her good qualities so I'm not an Aurora hater or anything but I'm not alone in thinking that compared to the more modern princesses she seems a bit more weak but I like the classics still, but you seem to attack rebelliousness, outspokenness and impulsiveness in all it's forms and that doesn't seem right to me either because I appreciate the good traits of all the princesses even when I don't like them as much. An outspoken and even impulsive woman can be strong, look at Susan B Anthony, Emmeline Pankhurst, Joan of Arc, and so many others, they were outspoken rebels and considered improper by many but they made there names known and made a difference, they carved a place out for themselves in history so I admire them. Audrey worked to make her dreams come true, they didn't just come to her and Mother Teresa worked to make a difference but it wasn't like she was just born perfect and spent all her days daydreaming. I don't know I see the good in people like Aurora and people like Merida equally and both can be good role models but you are entitled to your opinions.

Ugh I wrote a really nice thing but it got erased :( I was just going to say something like that my family is not perfect they have their flaws but I still love them because I know they are good people and they try to be better each day. That we shouldn't hate people or characters for having flaws (not saying that you do that), ugh don't you hate when you write something perfect and it gets erased and you forget what you were saying? Anyway, I was just saying something like we should definitely try to be better but we have to accept that we are only humans and we are bound to make mistakes because we have flaws but what counts is that we work to fix them, learn from them and overcome them, we have to work with out flaws in order to improve ourselves, did I mention I like history and that I seem to understand everything you write but you don't seem to get the points I'm saying? Sorry I'm really frustrated and don't feel like writing more because what got erased said it all so well and would allow you to see the type of person I really am, ugh. I said the analogy that I am a singer and I practice every day because although I'm told I'm a good singer I want to improve my vocal flaws but I know that the perfect singer doesn't exist and that I am realistic because I know I never will be perfect but at least I can be a better singer but I know some people who might be good singers but they don't practice so they never get any better and they just accept their flaws and don' try to fix them, they aren't bad singers but they just won't get better. What I meant is that when I said "accepting flaws" I mean to accept that they are imperfect but work with those flaws to become better. Ugh I felt like crying and screaming when what I wrote got erased because it was perfect :( I hope this rushed thing that I wrote here makes some sense and gives you a vague idea of what I meant but I've forgotten a lot, it's a shame.

Oh something I said in the erased comment was that I actually like Aurora and Cinderella but I just see less growth and development in them than in some of the more flawed characters so in that respect I consider them less interesting and realistic but I do think they are good role models and have admirable traits. You just don't seem them bettering themselves because it's as if they are just perfect so their is less of a journey for them and we should teach kids that no one is perfect and we all make mistakes but although we have to accept that we might never be perfect we should strive to be better people each day and improve on our flaws and I just feel that the other princesses show that a bit more than Aurora, sorry if we have differing opinions on this. This is still nothing compared to what I had written but it's the best I can do that I remember, what I had written was so inspirational sounding and was such a good explanation and description of my beliefs and it described why I thought the classics were nice role models but why I also felt that the other ones could be just as good if not better in my eyes. I'm just so tired right now and when that comment got erased and took away all the passion and energy I had left. I do see you are very passionate and outspoken that's good, I'm the same way but today is not one of my better days, you explain yourself very well btw.

^I don't understand what "make decisions for themselves" means? So are you saying that all people 18+ are independent then because they make their own decisions? I think it would help if you actually gave an example of people who "rely on someone else to make their decisions" because I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't think seeking advice makes someone dependent. I don't think referring to one's teammates makes them "dependent" in your sense of the word. Just because someone thinks they don't need others to make a decision doesn't make them "independent". They could just be self-absorbed, egotistical or impulsive. I don't see independent as being directly connected to making every single decision about everything by yourself with no outside help whatsoever. I think that's a harmful and detrimental way to live life.

Sometimes in life, people do have to deal with things they don't like. I dong agree with you that Aurora "will go along with everything that others will tell you even if you don't like it." If that were true, she would've stayed in the forest with Phillip since he said "Don't go" and she left anyways. I think you are painting her very incorrectly.

Since college is a business for profit and fulfills political agenda, I don't respect that as a legitimate example. I think a lot of what is taught in college today is harmful to society. Colleges today are teaching children to be intolerant and close-minded. Usually when college uses the word "independence", it just means "single" and I don't agree that just because you are single, you are better than everybody else. What they should teach in college is that your perception of what "most people" think is limited to your experience. What most people think in America is not what most people think in Japan or even England. What most people think in LA is not what most people think in New York. Most people you know think Aurora is not proactive. Most people that I know think Aurora is very graceful and strong. That's why it's not helpful to depend on perceptions of what "most people" think unless you have statistics to back it up or it's obvious like most people in America believe in freedom of speech. Saying "most people" from your personal experience comes off condescending because you are saying your personal experience is representative of most people when really it's just a small pool of people in America or on earth.

No one said a role model has to be super submissive to be seen as a good role model so again, I don't know where you are getting these ideas from? They're not coming from me because I never said such things. I have never once seen children pick out the flaws in Audrey Hepburn or Mother Theresa or say something like "She got upset one time so now I know she's a real human being". Children don't look for faults, adults do. I believe when one raises children, they are going to do their best to be on perfect behavior in front of their young children so they don't pick up bad habits. That's exactly the same concept with good role models. Since people are not perfect and people of high morals aren't as respected and appreciated in American media, it's nice to still have wholesome examples for children to see that aren't corrupt. I'm sorry but it's just my preference to show children innocent and wholesome good role models instead of looking for flawed role models that would be more likely to corrupt them by making them think the flaw is cool, accepted or desired.

Like I said, Snow White, Cinderella & Aurora were great role models to me growing up and they made me aspire to better myself because of the fact that they were so perfect and pure. Without them in my childhood, there weren't many consistent positive role models to look up to. I greatly value and appreciate these role models far more than the ones who are flawed because these are better examples to aspire to, in my opinion. They made me a better person. They made me deal with my abusive situations growing up so much better. I do not believe that they are "too perfect" to be role models. I think "too perfect" is what makes them better role models. Also in 1960, the majority of women in American society would never have said that the original 3 princess were "unrealistic" or "uncommon" because they weren't! These characters have grown to be more "uncommon" because of how society changed. That is why I find the word "unrealistic" offensive. It's like calling generations of women unreal even though they really did exist. Women like Walt's original 3 are real, they do exist and they have sadly gotten less common over the last 50 years because those traits that used to be highly valued in women were either lessened in value or abandoned altogether. Again, that makes them "uncommon" not "unrealistic". Frankly, there are some modern and renaissance princesses who are far more unrealistic in their characters and actions etc. than the original princesses but since they fit the American media's fantasy better, they don't get labeled that way.

I understand you don't see strength to Aurora's character but that doesn't change that I still see her as one fo the strongest DPs in the line up. I think her grace and poise is strength, it's inner strength and I admire it and respect it greatly. I strive to be even more like Aurora now than I did as a child because I value her even more now that I have gotten older. I see the wisdom, maturity, tact and character in not throwing tantrums for everything that doesn't go your way.

I never said you were alone in your opinion about Aurora nor that many agree with you. I am fully aware of that, I just don't think it gives you the right to assume "most people" feel that way without a proper consensus or specification. If you said "most people on this site", I'd find it more accurate but you just said most people in general and I don't think most people in America or Earth feel exactly that way about Aurora. Remember that America is very liberal compared to most of the world.

How do I seem to attack "rebelliousness, outspokenness and impulsiveness in all it's forms"? I'd love an example of how I have attacked those things in all their forms. I seem to recall saying in multiple polls that I don't see "rebelliousness" or "outspokenness" as flaws in their own rights so I would love to know where you are getting this idea from that I attack these traits? I mentioned impulsive in Belle's poll as one of her faults and I stick by it because it made her rash instead of thinking things through and finding the best solution. Even still, I don't see how that is "attacking" impulsiveness?

That's fine if you see Aurora and Merida as equal, I don't. If I had a choice between my daughter being graceful and obedient or classless and rebellious, of course I am going to choose the first one. I would not want my daughter to constantly disrespect me and run off while I have no idea where she could be if something were to happen to her. I suppose that's just the mother in me. I also believe that it's much easier to take someone like Aurora and "loosen her up a bit" then it is to take someone like Merida and try to reprogram her to value respect and courtesy. It's easier to give someone more freedom than they've ever had than to take some freedom away from someone who indulges in it, in my opinion. I just think very long-term about things not short-term.

I also believe that Aurora gets very unfair criticism simply because she represents older values in America. Aurora had 18minutes of screen time and Jasmine had 22minutes, which is only 4 minutes more. The difference is that Jasmine is constantly shouting and forcing her presence the whole time whereas Aurora's presence is far more pleasant (to me). I don't think less of a woman because she chooses not to be very outspoken. I admire the grace and self-control it takes to not have to speak on every subject. I (clearly) don't have that self-control to that degree and often feel the need to voice my opinion (but also it stems from an abusive background where I was never allowed to really give my opinion).

Just boring to me.

And her submissiveness.