I just want to point out that nearly every anti I've spoken to on this spot has either read a minimum of one of the books or at least seen the movie. You started by saying 'unlike many antis' you've read the books, but it's not unlike many antis. Almost all the antis I've spoken to have read at least one of the books and many people here have read all 4. I think if you look around the spot at the debate picks (so the serious ones rather than the more light hearted or ranty ones) you'll see most of our antis are very well informed on the series.
I disagree that reading part of the book series isn't enough, as long as you don't debate on things you are not informed about and remain open to fan opinion. I've read the first book, as well as passages relevant to the points I debate from all four. I am well versed on the plot points I talk about. I have never claimed knowledge if I wasn't sure of a point, and am always open to being corrected (even about the parts I have read, because as I didn't enjoy them I only read it once so could forget something)
I also think it's ok to debate something if you know the facts, even if you haven't read how Meyer puts it. For example I know about the Jacob/Renesme relationship. I know how Meyer has excused it, I know what happens and I know the situation surrounding the events. I think as long as I remain open to correction about it, since I am well informed it is fair for me to express my opinion about that relationship. As long as people are well informed and have an actual point, not just hating for the sake of it because they don't want to jump on a bandwagon, them expressing their opinion is completely valid.
I also want to say, in response to you saying
"For all you know, halfway through Stephanie Meyer has a not saying "Okay, all of that is a joke. The REAL book starts now." and the rest of the book is the next great epic"
To me it doesn't matter in the slightest if she did that (even though obviously we know she didn't since we all talk to Twilighters so often here, they would have brought it up for a start). Writing one book that glorifies abuse would not become ok if in the next book she said 'only kidding'. The first book would still exist, still send a bad message and still have influenced people, my opinion of Twilight wouldn't change if Stephenie Meyer said she was only kidding, just like if someone punched me in the face then said 'nah, I like you really' it wouldn't stop me being mad they punched me in the face.
I disagree that reading part of the book series isn't enough, as long as you don't debate on things you are not informed about and remain open to fan opinion. I've read the first book, as well as passages relevant to the points I debate from all four. I am well versed on the plot points I talk about. I have never claimed knowledge if I wasn't sure of a point, and am always open to being corrected (even about the parts I have read, because as I didn't enjoy them I only read it once so could forget something)
I also think it's ok to debate something if you know the facts, even if you haven't read how Meyer puts it. For example I know about the Jacob/Renesme relationship. I know how Meyer has excused it, I know what happens and I know the situation surrounding the events. I think as long as I remain open to correction about it, since I am well informed it is fair for me to express my opinion about that relationship. As long as people are well informed and have an actual point, not just hating for the sake of it because they don't want to jump on a bandwagon, them expressing their opinion is completely valid.
I also want to say, in response to you saying
"For all you know, halfway through Stephanie Meyer has a not saying "Okay, all of that is a joke. The REAL book starts now." and the rest of the book is the next great epic"
To me it doesn't matter in the slightest if she did that (even though obviously we know she didn't since we all talk to Twilighters so often here, they would have brought it up for a start). Writing one book that glorifies abuse would not become ok if in the next book she said 'only kidding'. The first book would still exist, still send a bad message and still have influenced people, my opinion of Twilight wouldn't change if Stephenie Meyer said she was only kidding, just like if someone punched me in the face then said 'nah, I like you really' it wouldn't stop me being mad they punched me in the face.
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